i have a 9 inch trouser snake

[Actuary 3]

mp1: 40/7/1.7SB is tight and BB is new.this is not standard for me, should I mix it in?Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is Button with 5:spade:, 5:diamond:. 3 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) 7:diamond:, 6:heart:, 7:heart: (3 players)BB bets, BB folds, MP1 calls.Turn: (5.75 BB) Q:spade: (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets....I'm bet/folding hereChecknig behind on river or Calling a donk bet on most rivers, non Ace probly,

[Sysvr4 0]

If the subject is true, I'd say you don't need our help :)On a tight table I like it... on a loose table, not so much.Jeff

[screech 0]

Looks good.If BB and MP call, what's your turn plan?

[mrdannyg 274]

i really dislike the flop raise, but i guess it is better than either calling or folding.the preflop raise is good. the reason i datamine tables is because i think raising in a situation like that is very beneficial and i don't like not having the ability to do it if i don't have "reads."mp1 almost certainly has just two overcards, so hopefully he missed the queen. if he calls there, i figure him for a queen and check behind, except on a river 5 (obviously) or maybe ace.nh

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 i really dislike the flop raise, but i guess it is better than either calling or folding.  

Come to think of it, I do too.

[Guest Zach6668]

 i really dislike the flop raise, but i guess it is better than either calling or folding.  

Come to think of it, I do too.

I don't mind it. Why is the BB donking this flop? If he is a decent player, he could easily have a flush draw. I highly, highly doubt he is betting out here with a 7. A 6 maybe, but just to see where he is at, a raise tells him he isbeat. Will he really call down with a 6 here?The turn is trouble if he has something like Qx:heart:, but that is unlikely.I like the way you played it. I play it the same if I'm going to play this hand postflop. I won't raise preflop, but I understandwhy you did it.Nice hand.Zach

[Shimmering Wang 1]

This is how the Shimmering Wang plays hands... His Wang is shimmering and Magnificent. Most people will probably dislike the flop raise or the turn bet, but I like.I'm kinda curious as to whether your big dick McGee experiment worked or not.Wang

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This is how the Shimmering Wang plays hands...  His Wang is shimmering and Magnificent.  Most people will probably dislike the flop raise or the turn bet, but I like.I'm kinda curious as to whether your big dick McGee experiment worked or not.Wang

Wang,Why do you raise this flop? Aside from the fact you have huge balls.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

This is how the Shimmering Wang plays hands... His Wang is shimmering and Magnificent. Most people will probably dislike the flop raise or the turn bet, but I like.I'm kinda curious as to whether your big dick McGee experiment worked or not.Wang

Wang,Why do you raise this flop? Aside from the fact you have huge balls.

Because, no matter what our opponent has, the turn card is going to be scary unless he plays well or hits his hand. If he's on a draw with a hand like 89, he's missing some outs (putting thumb through index and middle finger, "Whose got your outs? Whose got your outs? Daddy's got your outs!"), though he might still be a favorite. I dunno.If he has a flush draw, he's a favorite, but our raise means we can figure out what to do on the turn. If a complete blank comes off, we can bet again, likely as the favorites, and check behind for a free showdown if something bothersome comes off.If he's got a 6, he probably sucks, and our flop raise like doubles our fold equity on the turn if an Ace, K, Q or even J comes off. I like to raise, and indiscriminately raising flops against donk bettors usually ends up being a mildly losing play at worst.I'd like to provide this caveat, though... I do this kinda sh it at 3/6 and 5/10, where players are a little tighter on the flop and turn, and are less likely to "pay off" with middle pair hands.The other way to consider playing this hand is to just call the flop, and raise ANY non-heart non 8/9 turn.WangEDIT- WHOOPS! I just saw we've got a tagalong MP player, and that the BB folded the flop. I just looked down to the turn and saw it heads up. I'm'a have to fix this. Now the raise doesn't look so rosy. If you think MP1 is an everything passive-peeler, then it's fine, bet the turn, and check-behind on the river to punish him for coming along with j9Wang (again)

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If he's got a 6, he probably sucks, and our flop raise like doubles our fold equity on the turn if an Ace, K, Q or even J comes off.

That's the thing. If he's shitty enough to play a 6 here, I think he's bad enough to call down. Trying to get bad players to fold made hands doesn't work often enough.On the other hand, if he's good/tricky enough to raise a fd/oesd, I just want to get to sd cheaply. Then agian, 25% of my winnings don't come from good players.

I'd like to provide this caveat, though... I do this kinda sh it at 3/6 and 5/10, where players are a little tighter on the flop and turn, and are less likely to "pay off" with middle pair hands. The other way to consider playing this hand is to just call the flop, and raise ANY non-heart non 8/9 turn.

respekt.I like that plan.

EDIT- WHOOPS! I just saw we've got a tagalong MP player, and that the BB folded the flop. I just looked down to the turn and saw it heads up. I'm'a have to fix this. Now the raise doesn't look so rosy. If you think MP1 is an everything passive-peeler, then it's fine, bet the turn, and check-behind on the river to punish him for coming along with j9 Wang (again)

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[Actuary 3]

river was blank and I checked behindHe showed 99.

[Smasharoo 0]

Why is the BB donking this flopBecause he has a 7 or an overpair.good luck.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

river was blank and I checked behindHe showed 99.

HE has a 2-inch trouser snake. It's so cute.

[Smasharoo 0]

God damn it, don't post results while I'm typing brilliant reads.Tottally steals my thunder man.

[Actuary 3]

God damn it, don't post results while I'm typing brilliant reads.Tottally steals my thunder man.

yeah, I got a bit impatientBB folded the flop, though, so that might have de-brilliantified your read :)normally I limp this preflop and fod the flop.Does this option work and/or help to get paid off later enough to warrant mixing it in to a 2/4 table. Or just keep it simple 100% of the time?thanks guys.

[mrdannyg 274]

God damn it, don't post results while I'm typing brilliant reads.Tottally steals my thunder man.

yeah, I got a bit impatientBB folded the flop, though, so that might have de-brilliantified your read :)normally I limp this preflop and fod the flop.Does this option work and/or help to get paid off later enough to warrant mixing it in to a 2/4 table. Or just keep it simple 100% of the time?thanks guys.

i think this is a good addition. anytime you can isolate against a player with a high VPIP, in position with dead money in the pot and be at worst a "coinflip" type hand, you are in a very profitable situation.based on the way the hand went, 99 is a pretty unlikely holding for MP1. he's 7% PFR, so i'd expect him to open-raise this with those stats, but i guess its close. i think he usually just has overcards here, and i'm not worried until he calls the turn.