umm...first time ever calling 4 cold...

[Guest Zach6668]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with Q:spade:, Q:club:. 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (16.50 SB) 7:spade:, A:spade:, 9:diamond: (4 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero folds...---------------------------------------------I wasn't really paying attention to the action at this table, and I look down at QQ, but it's 4 cold to me... what the hell?!CO is a donk, 70/17/.47MP2 was more solid at 17/4/3.50UTG+1 is aggressive at 16/13/3.23Very few hands on each of them, however.So, with 4 to the flop, capped, can I be assuming there is an ace out here. For some reason, I became very weak tight in this hand and just assumed I was beat, and folded, without even thinking about pot odds, etc. I figured out that I didn't have immediate odds to chase two outs, but implied could make it close, but there could be raises behind me as well.Also, preflop is an automatic call, right?Now that I think about it, I needed to raise this flop. Any other thoughts on it?Zach

[Wingmaster05 0]

Hmm, it's hard to believe CO always has it; he will probably cap with 8s and up. Who knows, right?Unfortunately we have a raise and 3 bet from two decent players. Buut...they checked to the CO. I wouldn't mind seeing a check raise on the flop and hope the two standard players fold and then call anything the retard bets.This pot is massive and we are against a spewer; I want this heads up and hope this guy truly is a fish so we can take his money.I think this is a fold preflop against a normal player...not from CO though.

[fckthis 0]

good set value?

[pokerplayer24 0]

With the pot being big and a backdoor flush draw I call one and see what everyone else does.

[Smasharoo 0]

I'd fold this preflop if I was certain I wouldn't smash the monitor with a sledgehammer if a Q flopped.Mp2's three-bet is quite likely to have us burried with his stats. Playing QQ against KK or AA isn't much fun.Oh anyway, once you're there getting 17 to 1, call the flop. You have outs and they get there more than one time in 20.good luck.

[screech 0]

CO is a donk, 70/17/.47

Don't fold the flop. Ever. Bd flush outs, set outs, blah blah blah.I agree with Smash pf. I would have a hard time folding it too, but it's the right play. MP's stats have us in bad shape. And even CO isn't capping with garbage. You don't have to put money in the pot.

[mrdannyg 274]

if you have enough hands on MP2 to make his numbers pertinent (at least 50) than i probably fold this preflop. then an ace hits and i feel like a genius. in the bb i'm not sure if i'm good enough to actually fold there, but that's moot.on the flop, i check-raise this. both the other two guys have high aggression stats, which means they don't call often. they certainly don't call with their JJ or KK facing two bets on an ace-high board that was capped preflop. they think you're just another idiot who caught his A7off.and you could easily be ahead of CO here. I CR the flop and see what develops. if either UTG+2 or MP2 calls i probably give up, but IMO this a decent play to make for a 17SB pot, since it really only costs you 2-3 bets (I assume you call one more if you 3-bet).and i don't like folding here. it is likely that the K is out there, but you have decent odds to chase your 2 queens and backdoor flush.

[Wingmaster05 0]

CO is a donk, 70/17/.47Zach

oh...yea

[Tparks86 0]

You're first mistake is letting Wingmaster be the first to reply to your query. Other than that...I agree with the previous advice. You can't fold on the flop. No you can't.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

Do you know how to do the math to figure whether you can call on the flop or not? Once you do, this will be an easy decision to make (or, rather, an easy hand to analyze after the fact).Fold preflop, call the flop.I would call preflop, but only because it would really REALLY ruin my day if Q came off and I folded. But that's irrational Wang for youWang

[Tparks86 0]

Do you know how to do the math to figure whether you can call on the flop or not? Once you do, this will be an easy decision to make (or, rather, an easy hand to analyze after the fact).Fold preflop, call the flop.I would call preflop, but only because it would really REALLY ruin my day if Q came off and I folded. But that's irrational Wang for youWang

Totally undersatndable, wang. I'd fold the hand if I'm in a tough, tight game. However, I've rarely been in one so in most cases I'm calling preflop. And yes folding the flop is not an option.

[mrdannyg 274]

Do you know how to do the math to figure whether you can call on the flop or not? Once you do, this will be an easy decision to make (or, rather, an easy hand to analyze after the fact).Fold preflop, call the flop.I would call preflop, but only because it would really REALLY ruin my day if Q came off and I folded. But that's irrational Wang for youWang

that made me laugh