aa huge pots, can i fold? 2 hands, i need a hug

[Actuary 3]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is UTG with A:heart:, A:diamond:. Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.Flop: (17.50 SB) 5:spade:, 9:club:, T:club: (4 players)Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.Turn: (10.75 BB) J:spade: (4 players)Hero betsno reads. Except Mp1 is Zach. (TAGggy)a. Fold b. Call and Fold River UI (no Ace, no board pair)c. Call down no matter what, for one betd. something else (I'll assume raise is out of the question)*********************************************************************************Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with A:diamond:, A:heart:. 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (20 SB) 4:diamond:, 6:diamond:, 2:diamond: (5 players)SB bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.Turn: (12 BB) T:spade: (4 players)SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.River: (16 BB) 3:spade: (4 players)SB betsSB: 48/4/0.8 CO: SLAP,I'm beat. Can I fold?What about others behind me, who may be laying in wait?

[Wingmaster05 0]

B for the first one (i have a history of laying down aces in massive pots only to be wrong)and i would raise the flop in the second one. call river at that point...hope for the best.you do need a hug.

[Guest Zach6668]

B for the first one (i have a history of laying down aces in massive pots only to be wrong)and i would raise the flop in the second one. call river at that point...hope for the best.you do need a hug.

I raise the flop on the second one too. I pound that pot with AA and the nut flush draw. I love hands like that.As for the first one, I should have folded preflop... lol. As for you, that board sucks balls. Coordinated, suited, etc. I prolly still call, cuz my fold button is broken. And I'm having a good day, and my hands are holding up Zach

[Actuary 3]

hand two, I hesitatied and thought about rasing the flop.At the time, I didn't want to lose any callers, or face a 3-bet yet.raise flop sure seems better...just ddint want it HU yet.

[Guest Zach6668]

hand two, I hesitatied and thought about rasing the flop.At the time, I didn't want to lose any callers, or face a 3-bet yet.raise flop sure seems better...just ddint want it HU yet.

It does suck that the flop bet came from your right.

[Guest Zach6668]

Double post+1

[Actuary 3]

hand two, I hesitatied and thought about rasing the flop.At the time, I didn't want to lose any callers, or face a 3-bet yet.raise flop sure seems better...just ddint want it HU yet.

It does suck that the flop bet came from your right.

thing is, I may get no action when the 4th hits, if I raise the SB's lead on the turn. So with this huge pot, a raise for value makes a lot of sense.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Not raising the flop or turn on hand 2 is gross.On hand 1 call down.i'm drunk

[Guest Zach6668]

hand two, I hesitatied and thought about rasing the flop.At the time, I didn't want to lose any callers, or face a 3-bet yet.raise flop sure seems better...just ddint want it HU yet.

It does suck that the flop bet came from your right.

thing is, I may get no action when the 4th hits, if I raise the SB's lead on the turn. So with this huge pot, a raise for value makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, but what is more profitable? Raising and forcing folds, or getting lots of overcallers?By raising, you can assume 2-cold will fold a lot of those following us. Say we get one cold-caller, we are getting 6 SB in on that flop assuming SB doesn't reraise, which he will do with the flush 95% of the time. If the overcaller folds, we will probably get to cap this flop, and get 8 bets in total, 4 of which are ours.If we just call, we are putting in 1 SB, but getting a total of 4 SBs in the pot, assuming 2 people call the bet, as in this example. Clearly, this make a smaller pot, however we are putting in a smaller proportion, and we have a higher chance to get paid off should we hit our flush or runner runner boat up.I think calling might actually be a better play in this specific hand, but I want to get as much money in that pot as I possibly can on the flop.ZachPS - Am I making any sense? It is 5 am, and I've been playing online since like 7 pm.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Not raising the flop or turn in hand 2 is awful and its fairly obvious.Zach what are you doing home, should have been beer ponging or something.

[Actuary 3]

a flop raise in hand two would likely scare at least one more off..but I can't knowI'm not folding any two pair or sets here, of course.Protecting my hand is not an issue.Also SB may not lead into me on the turn if a comes, which, is bad,Finally, I get 3-bet sometimes by SB if I raise the flop, which is dandy, except when we are 3 handed or less.but..lets focus on rivers.

[Guest Zach6668]

Not raising the flop or turn in hand 2 is awful and its fairly obvious.Zach what are you doing home, should have been beer ponging or something.

Meh... I have no money, somehow... lol I got drunk on Friday night, so it's all good...

[Guest Zach6668]

a flop raise in hand two would likely scare at least one more off..but I can't knowI'm not folding any two pair or sets here, of course.Protecting my hand is not an issue.Also SB may not lead into me on the turn if a comes, which, is bad,Finally, I get 3-bet sometimes by SB if I raise the flop, which is dandy, except when we are 3 handed or less.but..lets focus on rivers.

It's easier if you raise the flop.If he 3-bets you, you are probably beat. I think you can safely treat your AA as a draw, and fold when you miss.In practice, I make a crying call though.Zach

[pokerplayer24 0]

a flop raise in hand two would likely scare at least one more off..but I can't knowI'm not folding any two pair or sets here, of course.Protecting my hand is not an issue.Also SB may not lead into me on the turn if a comes, which, is bad,Finally, I get 3-bet sometimes by SB if I raise the flop, which is dandy, except when we are 3 handed or less.but..lets focus on rivers.

It's easier if you raise the flop.If he 3-bets you, you are probably beat. I think you can safely treat your AA as a draw, and fold when you miss.In practice, I make a crying call though.Zach

SB bets out so you automatically think you're beat?You have 9 outs vs any straight, 10 vs any set and a gazillion with vs any 2 pair. Raise / cap flop. Slow down on turn if he continues to show strength and no hits. I cold call 3 cold preflop with 77-JJ and surely lead that flop.

[Actuary 3]

that dliemna happens a lot..1. You build even bigger pots by raising2. You gain "info" when they raise back3. you have an even tougher deciosn to make at river with a huge pot and little hope of winnig

[Guest Zach6668]

a flop raise in hand two would likely scare at least one more off..but I can't knowI'm not folding any two pair or sets here, of course.Protecting my hand is not an issue.Also SB may not lead into me on the turn if a comes, which, is bad,Finally, I get 3-bet sometimes by SB if I raise the flop, which is dandy, except when we are 3 handed or less.but..lets focus on rivers.

It's easier if you raise the flop.If he 3-bets you, you are probably beat. I think you can safely treat your AA as a draw, and fold when you miss.In practice, I make a crying call though.Zach

SB bets out so you automatically think you're beat?You have 9 outs vs any straight, 10 vs any set and a gazillion with vs any 2 pair. Raise / cap flop. Slow down on turn if he continues to show strength and no hits. I cold call 3 cold preflop with 77-JJ and surely lead that flop.

Fair enough. I really don't know. My first instinct was to pump this pot as hard as I can, then I kinda decided I wanted overcalls on the flop, I think in practice I raise it all day though.I'm very tired.

[Actuary 3]

SB bets out so you automatically think you're beat?You have 9 outs vs any straight, 10 vs any set and a gazillion with vs any 2 pair. Raise / cap flop. Slow down on turn if he continues to show strength and no hits. I cold call 3 cold preflop with 77-JJ and surely lead that flop.

I'm sure I'd be giving the same advice..harder to be unbiased now.SB was passive unless he had a good hand. I was owning him somewhat and he knew I played good hands (well, mabe not, he is afish after all) So I took this lead to be at least a set. I thought shutting overcalls out did not make sense.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Overcalls are great but the pot is 20 sb. I couldnt care less about 1 sb overcalls considering the size of the pot. Not to mention that hands with a decent are calling 2 cold anyways as the pot is huge.

[Actuary 3]

Overcalls are great but the pot is 20 sb. I couldnt care less about 1 sb overcalls considering the size of the pot. Not to mention that hands with a decent are calling 2 cold anyways as the pot is huge.

We're not rasing to protect our hand, right?So we raise for value.I'm *arguing* we might make more getting overcalls and getting lead into on a good river/turn.I'd love for a raise to come from another player..

[pokerplayer24 0]

Overcalls are great but the pot is 20 sb. I couldnt care less about 1 sb overcalls considering the size of the pot. Not to mention that hands with a decent are calling 2 cold anyways as the pot is huge.

We're not rasing to protect our hand, right?So we raise for value.I'm *arguing* we might make more getting overcalls and getting lead into on a good river/turn.I'd love for a raise to come from another player..

Mostly for value here as most big (KQJ) are calling 2 cold on this flop. Sure a hand like KQ no calling the flop is great but we are still losing out on a ton of value. Waiting till the turn here if we feel we are behind our equity is worse and it will cost us more if we raise the turn and get 3-bet by a far better hand.On this flop at this level no overpair is folding. Make them pay and make overs with a pay. Our hand is strong but in a 5 way capped preflop pot I would much rather see a lot of hands go away.For a hand like KQ to call it only has to be 5% to win this hand. Many of the hands that will overcall are easily that.

[Smasharoo 0]

Hand one yes, hand two no.Resons probably gone into allready haven't read replies.good luck.

[screech 0]

I'm beat. Can I fold?

Of course.I'm not convinced you're beat though.

[mrdannyg 274]

that dliemna happens a lot..1. You build even bigger pots by raising2. You gain "info" when they raise back3.  you have an even tougher deciosn to make at river with a huge pot and little hope of winnig

hand 2 - don't think you can fold. you're almost certainly beat, but since you don't have enough information, you may be ahead here 1/17 times or whatever. i actually like calling the flop and raising the turn here. a raise on the flop or two is both for value and protects your hand. the flop raise might not scare out gutshots, so waiting for a non-3,5 or 6 turn is a good thought.but this was capped preflop. CO is almost certainly on AK or something and you are certain to have him beat. MP2 cold-called a raise, so its still likely you have him beat. he may have 55 or something, but there a lot of hands he has that you beat. you are really only beat by the SB, who probably either hit two pair or a straight. but he has 67 or K 6 way too often for you to fold here.hand 1 - don't think i fold here. probably not ahead, but i could be drawing live and have the odds. if the river is not a club, 8 or Q, i may call UI since the pot is so big. i don't really like this line, but this is a huge pot to fold an overpair in.good bet on the turn though.daniel