keith crime 8 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 please excuse me because i just saw this on espn and their must be a thread about this but i'd appreciate others knowledge and thought because i couldn't find the exact hand history on the webJohn Bonetti and Jim Bechtel both have about 1 million chipsGlenn Cozen has like 80,000 Cozen spends a ton of time deciding whether to call like 30K - amazingly he just calls and all three are in the handthe flop comes K6x with 2 spades bechtel bets pretty much enough to put cozen all in bonetti seemingly calls just to give them some extra outscozen folds his small pocket pairthe turn is another spade Bonetti goes all in with AK no spadesBechtel Calls with a set of sixesCozen gets an extra 210K by finishing 2ndI'm not sure how bad Bonetti's bet was - it was at least gutsy but what a call by bechtel - it would seem hard for me to believe that anyone would risk a free 210K much less a 50 50 shot of winning the mill without a flush there - I mean can he really be called without being beat there?anyone have any info - or know where a thread about it is? Link to post Share on other sites
KTW 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 My first Live WSOP was in 94 when Russ won, Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
Fluffdog87 2 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 My guess is they made a deal and he was going for the win in the hand to win the gold bracelet.Did you know Matusow, Hoyt, and Hellmuth made a deal to even out the winnings in the 2005 T.O.C.. Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip_339 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 My guess is they made a deal and he was going for the win in the hand to win the gold bracelet.Did you know Matusow, Hoyt, and Hellmuth made a deal to even out the winnings in the 2005 T.O.C..Did they really? I never saw anything of this, does anyone know what they got each? Was it an even split, or did they do a chip-based split? Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Most likely chip based. There not there to hook eachother up. Link to post Share on other sites
seppidadon 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 It was based on chip postion and the fact that the final table was like 13 hours long.Mike got 800,000Phil and Hoyt each got 400,000happy new years Link to post Share on other sites
MasterRich 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 i just saw the 1993 WSOP on ESPN Classic, i was going to make a post about it, but figured i will search first...and yes that was a terrible all in by Jon, but he forgot to mention that he did raise the bet on the flop and the guy, i forgot his name, just smooth called, which should put some notion of him having the spade draw...i think it was a horrible, horrible play for the situtation....the play itself was okay, because Jon figured he could have the other guy fold if he didn't have the flush, good play, but when 3rd place is $200,000 and change and 2nd is $400,000 and change and the short-stack has only enough to cover like 3 more blinds, you cannot risk ALL your chips..I understand people will say, well you play to win, but there are certain situations where i feel you lay down a monster or just play small to make sure you get more money and that was one of them....i was stunned when he pushed all his chips in......on a side note...the annoncers were the worst in the history of ESPN, one guy has no idea the rules of poker and kept saying the wrong cards needed to win the pot and the other guy kept having to correct him......there also was a guy who had J, J...after looking at a A,K, x flop, he CALLED an all-in....not went all in, but CALLED and ran off like he just had taken the worst beat in the world, horrible horrible call by him, the guy who pushed him all in had AQc........i'm starting to wonder if players were worse 10-15 years ago then they are now.... Link to post Share on other sites
Fluffdog87 2 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 i just saw the 1993 WSOP on ESPN Classic, i was going to make a post about it, but figured i will search first...and yes that was a terrible all in by Jon, but he forgot to mention that he did raise the bet on the flop and the guy, i forgot his name, just smooth called, which should put some notion of him having the spade draw...i think it was a horrible, horrible play for the situtation....the play itself was okay, because Jon figured he could have the other guy fold if he didn't have the flush, good play, but when 3rd place is $200,000 and change and 2nd is $400,000 and change and the short-stack has only enough to cover like 3 more blinds, you cannot risk ALL your chips..I understand people will say, well you play to win, but there are certain situations where i feel you lay down a monster or just play small to make sure you get more money and that was one of them....i was stunned when he pushed all his chips in......on a side note...the annoncers were the worst in the history of ESPN, one guy has no idea the rules of poker and kept saying the wrong cards needed to win the pot and the other guy kept having to correct him......there also was a guy who had J, J...after looking at a A,K, x flop, he CALLED an all-in....not went all in, but CALLED and ran off like he just had taken the worst beat in the world, horrible horrible call by him, the guy who pushed him all in had AQc........I'm starting to wonder if players were worse 10-15 years ago then they are now.... I watched it last night also.The play was horrible.A complete donkey play.He is a great pro too. I don't know what he was thinking. Clearly this is the worst play I've ever seen in a wsop final table by far.What an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 i do still it was a good call by bechtel even though he had a setit's just so inane for anyone to go all in there without a flush i probably would have folded - I still can't believe I can't find much info on the hand on the web Link to post Share on other sites
MasterRich 0 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Bechtel did make a good call, and from what i remember he made it fast too, but lets say Jon has the spade draw and then caught the nut flush, do you move all in there?....i doubt it, you would want to get the Max. profit for that hand and moving all in there esp. in that situtation would get almost anything to fold...except sometimes a set.....but it was a good call by Bechtel...I have no idea what i would have done with a set there... Link to post Share on other sites
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