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[TheCinciKid]

UTG+2 is your standard party fish 65/8/1.33MP3 is a standard TAGParty Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with 8:spade:, A:spade:. CO posts a blind of $2. 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) 7:club:, 6:diamond:, 8:diamond: (5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.Turn: (5.50 BB) 7:spade: (3 players)Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls.River: (7.50 BB) 6:heart: (2 players)Hero bets, MP3 folds.Final Pot: 8.50 BB

[Abbaddabba]

Im guessing the question is whether you should lead or check/raise, right?I'd probably just lead.No one has given you any reason to believe that they'll bet. Plus - gutshots with a lone 10 are only barely getting odds to call as it is. Basically all the other draws are coming along for two bets.

[mrdannyg]

Abbaddabba said:

Im guessing the question is whether you should lead or check/raise, right?I'd probably just lead.No one has given you any reason to believe that they'll bet. Plus - gutshots with a lone 10 are only barely getting odds to call as it is. Basically all the other draws are coming along for two bets.

i assume that you are usually ahead on this flop. if you are not ahead, i think you find out quick, and can easily fold in a future round.i really like check-raising this flop. for one thing, it makes all those goddamn gutshots pay two bets. since you don't know if/where a raise would come from, i think check-raising is your best chance make as many people as possible pay two bets.also, check-raising shows a lot of strength. there a million draws out there, and we want to be able to fold if one comes through. i think CRing here makes it easier to bet/fold a future street if a 4,5,9,10, etc comes out.having said that, i don't like the river bet. doesn't seem like much is calling you here that you're ahead of except a weaker 8. since he mostly likely is just someone with a 5 or 9, i think you get more value by checking and inducing a bluff. daniel

[Smasharoo]

i really like check-raising this flop. Me too.I can fold to a three-bet though. Most people probably won't.

[Shimmering Wang]

I check/call this river.You're getting raised by bonerboats.He doesn't have a straight. If he does, he's raising. Whatever. Stupid.There are, like, zero hands calling you here that you beat. (55, K8s, 89?) Since he played the hand so passively, his most likely hand is a busted draw.The only way to make money from a busted draw is to induce a bluff.I check/call. Best case scenario he donks off a bet with some diamonds or a 9, second best case scenario he checks improbably with TT or 99. Gayest case scenario he checks behind with a random eight.Wang

[mrdannyg]

Smasharoo said:

i really like check-raising this flop. Me too.I can fold to a three-bet though. Most people probably won't.

just curious whether you fold to a 3-bet both at a 2/4 game and at higher limits. seems like there might be a significantly different range of hands 3-betting depending on the game and reads, for instance at higher limits, a player might be clever enough to 3-bet with not much more than a 9 as a free card play.i fold too much, but i'm not sure if i fold to a 3-bet. you are ahead of a lot of 3-betting hands here. i guess if you assume that if he is 3-betting with a hand ahead of you, he also bets the turn (probably true at lower limits), so if you don't want to commit yourself to calling down, you fold to a 3-bet. not sure if a 3-betting hand that is behind automatically bets the turn at higher limits though, hence the above question.daniel

[wrto4556]

folding to a 3-bet was a joke i think. There are too many hands he could 3 bet that we are ahead ofso we dont get enough info to fold.

[Smasharoo]

just curious whether you fold to a 3-bet both at a 2/4 game and at higher limitsI was kidding.good luck.

[TheCinciKid]

Smasharoo said:

just curious whether you fold to a 3-bet both at a 2/4 game and at higher limitsI was kidding.good luck.

Now I'm curious. Were you also joking about liking the check/raise? Or was that a good line?

[mrdannyg]

i see smash is back to his old ambiguous self.not sure what the joke about check/raise/fold is. seems decent to me, although i'd prefer check/raise/call and possibly check/fold (bet/fold?) UI on the turn

[Smasharoo]

Now I'm curious. Were you also joking about liking the check/raise?No. I was joking about folding getting 9 to one with TPTK on this flop.We're behind a lot when we're three-bet, we're not often 10 to 1 behind, and sometimes we're ahead.I prefer the C/R line, but the hand obviously plays out diffrently if we're three-bet.