christmas checkup, hand 1 (2/4)

[Sysvr4 0]

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with 3:club:, 6:club:. UTG raises, SB calls, Hero calls.Flop: (8 SB) 6:spade:, 5:diamond:, J:club: (4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls.No reads.I think the rest of the hand plays itself. Anyone play this differently PF or on the flop? If so, why?Jeff

[screech 0]

I call on the flop because you're getting great odds and have good relative postition if you flop a strong draw. Your hand has suitedness and some connectedness.I wouldn't bet this flop because I doubt overs are raising here unless UTG is extremely aggressive. After UTG bets and gets called in two places, I think raising is pretty pointless. Still, you have more than enough outs to continue.

[fckthis 0]

I call on the flop because you're getting great odds and have good relative postition if you flop a strong draw.  Your hand has suitedness and some connectedness.I wouldn't bet this flop because I doubt overs are raising here unless UTG is extremely aggressive.  After UTG bets and gets called in two places, I think raising is pretty pointless.  Still, you have more than enough outs to continue.

umm 6 outs? The extra one is included for the backdoor flush. I may peel here, but you know you need to improve to win. I just think that it's ok to peel in large pots, and not a pot like this. I fold here, because you only have like 2 gin cards (4 or 7 of clubs).

[Shimmering Wang 1]

I call on the flop because you're getting great odds and have good relative postition if you flop a strong draw.  Your hand has suitedness and some connectedness.I wouldn't bet this flop because I doubt overs are raising here unless UTG is extremely aggressive.  After UTG bets and gets called in two places, I think raising is pretty pointless.  Still, you have more than enough outs to continue.

umm 6 outs? The extra one is included for the backdoor flush. I may peel here, but you know you need to improve to win. I just think that it's ok to peel in large pots, and not a pot like this. I fold here, because you only have like 2 gin cards (4 or 7 of clubs).

You're getting 11-1ish (rake??) closing the action. I consider both 6s outs (2). Let's call 2/3 of the 3s outs as well (4). If we completely discount our backdoor straight outs, because they'll generally only help us when we ALSO pick up the flush draw (4c, 7c), and we call our backdoor flush exactly 1 out (very conservative), we've got 5 outs.That's more than enough to continue, considering our implied odds are hanging out somewhere above the x-axis. Wang

[Guest Zach6668]

Fold preflop?Do we call because we are getting 7-1 with two suited cards?I don't like this, I muck it everytime, especially to an UTG raise.Zach

[wrto4556 0]

its a suited connector. And if it is a mistake, who cares? Its not HUGE.

[mrdannyg 274]

Fold preflop?Do we call because we are getting 7-1 with two suited cards?I don't like this, I muck it everytime, especially to an UTG raise.Zach

we have suited, somewhat connected and undominated cards. i think you should be calling this nearly every time.i think the flop pretty much plays itself, check/calling the flop.the rest of the hand may vary though. check/folding the turn is standard I guess, but depending on the turn/river, reads on the raiser, and what the callers do, i may call down here.

[Guest Zach6668]

Fold preflop?Do we call because we are getting 7-1 with two suited cards?I don't like this, I muck it everytime, especially to an UTG raise.Zach

we have suited, somewhat connected and undominated cards. i think you should be calling this nearly every time.i think the flop pretty much plays itself, check/calling the flop.the rest of the hand may vary though. check/folding the turn is standard I guess, but depending on the turn/river, reads on the raiser, and what the callers do, i may call down here.

Interesting. Blind play is an aspect of my game I have not had much chance to work on yet.Thanks.Zach

[fckthis 0]

I call on the flop because you're getting great odds and have good relative postition if you flop a strong draw. Your hand has suitedness and some connectedness.I wouldn't bet this flop because I doubt overs are raising here unless UTG is extremely aggressive. After UTG bets and gets called in two places, I think raising is pretty pointless. Still, you have more than enough outs to continue.

umm 6 outs? The extra one is included for the backdoor flush. I may peel here, but you know you need to improve to win. I just think that it's ok to peel in large pots, and not a pot like this. I fold here, because you only have like 2 gin cards (4 or 7 of clubs).

You're getting 11-1ish (rake??) closing the action. I consider both 6s outs (2). Let's call 2/3 of the 3s outs as well (4). If we completely discount our backdoor straight outs, because they'll generally only help us when we ALSO pick up the flush draw (4c, 7c), and we call our backdoor flush exactly 1 out (very conservative), we've got 5 outs.That's more than enough to continue, considering our implied odds are hanging out somewhere above the x-axis. Wang

You are right, that the pot is laying you decent odds to continue. My bad.