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[fckthis]

In a live b&m 1/2 NL game, I received KK in mp.Utg had limped for 2, and utg+1 had gone to 12. The standard raise here was 10-15ish. I was already in the hole, and didnt want to essentially take a bad beat here, so with a caller in front of me, I didn't mind re raising an ungodly amount in order to pick up this pot.Well I raised to 60. Not exactly, in hindsight, the best play, but it got folded around to utg, so seemed loose and dumb (earlier hand commits with top pair and J kicker), and he calls. I dont have much more left behind, possibly 40-45 left, but around the same with him.Well the flop was all diamonds, Q106. I had the Kd.He asks how much I have left and puts me all in, I quickly call and flip my hand over. A diamond hits the river and he shows over A5 os, A of diamonds.Well that had me steaming.Anyways the question is, could I have done a better job playing this hand and how so? My buddies thought because I made the re raise to a very high amount, it made him more incline to call and should've raised to 30 or so.Thanks.

[Chief]

fckthis said:

My buddies thought because I made the re raise to a very high amount, it made him more incline to call and should've raised to 30 or so.

Your buddies are dumb.You played the hand fine. Bad beat.

[bdc30]

fckthis said:

My buddies thought because I made the re raise to a very high amount, it made him more incline to call and should've raised to 30 or so.

That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.If he was willing to call $60 preflop with that trash,do you honestly think he's folding if you only makeit $30?I agree, pushing it to $60 is way too high in that typeof game, but your friends' statement was just downrightwrong.

[Love4hockey]

With a player like that keep raising big preflop. You will get great value on your big preflop hands.

[DrawingDeadInDM]

Your buddies should TP/MM.If he's going to call 60 preflop with A5, you're going go get broken off from time to time. Not sure about taking it to 30x BB, but, I've seen stranger and done worse.

[SLEEPYCHIEF]

fckthis said:

In a live b&m 1/2 NL game, I received KK in mp.Utg had limped for 2, and utg+1 had gone to 12. The standard raise here was 10-15ish. I was already in the hole, and didnt want to essentially take a bad beat here, so with a caller in front of me, I didn't mind re raising an ungodly amount in order to pick up this pot.Well I raised to 60. Not exactly, in hindsight, the best play, but it got folded around to utg, so seemed loose and dumb (earlier hand commits with top pair and J kicker), and he calls. I dont have much more left behind, possibly 40-45 left, but around the same with him.Well the flop was all diamonds, Q106. I had the Kd.He asks how much I have left and puts me all in, I quickly call and flip my hand over. A diamond hits the river and he shows over A5 os, A of diamonds.Well that had me steaming.Anyways the question is, could I have done a better job playing this hand and how so? My buddies thought because I made the re raise to a very high amount, it made him more incline to call and should've raised to 30 or so.Thanks.

I wish I could play the A 5 offsuit guy and your buddies everyday for the rest of my life. Anyone who calls over half his stack with A 5 offsuit in a cash game is what turns your 19" TV to your brand new 64" HDTV plasma flat screen.

[fopkins]

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I wish I could play the A 5 offsuit guy and your buddies everyday for the rest of my life. Anyone who calls over half his stack with A 5 offsuit in a cash game is what turns your 19" TV to your brand new 64" HDTV plasma flat screen.

I really don't think I could have put this any better if I tried a hundred times.Your friends are morons, you played it fine.-fop

[jayboogie]

Your friends are just using results oriented thinking, anytime you get your opponent in a situation where he puts money in as a underdog, you've done your job. The more money you get him to commit, the better it works out for you in the long run.I actually don't neccessarily think raising it what you did is such a great play unless you believed he'd call that big of a raise with a crap hand, in which case I'd raise those huge amounts everytime, but for you to raise it what you did simply so nobody could outdraw you is really flawed thinking.

[TeeSludge]

bdc30 said:

fckthis said:

My buddies thought because I made the re raise to a very high amount, it made him more incline to call and should've raised to 30 or so.

That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.If he was willing to call $60 preflop with that trash,do you honestly think he's folding if you only makeit $30?I agree, pushing it to $60 is way too high in that typeof game, but your friends' statement was just downrightwrong.

I don't think it is bad to raise that high if you know that the player is going to call with a hand that is vastly superior to ours. That is what is great about the really bad players. They don't mind putting a ton of money in the pot when we are a large favorite.I'd agree that the raise would be too big if it was a tight table or a tight player.

[krup24]

Bad Beat Reload if Necessary and you will be a winner

[pokerplayer24]

krup24 said:

Bad Beat Reload if Necessary and you will be a winner

Not really the guys trying to ask if his reraise preflop was to big.As is I think its about the right amount. The pots almost 40 so by raising another 48 you're just raising a little over the pot. In this spot with KK in 1/2 100 max nl game I think you're almost always best off trying to put in a ton of $ preflop as the game is unbelievably loose then.

[fckthis]

Thanks for the responses.Essentially my reasoning was flawed, in that I raised huge to avoid taking a bad beat. I guess you do that when you're stuck.But in these 1/2 NL games, sometimes I just push AA or KK to raises, because often time I get 1 or even 2 callers. The players are incredibly dumb, and will put all their money in with AK, regardless of the action.