blind steal #1 - from the sb

[psujohn 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with 4:club:, A:heart:. 6 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4 SB) J:heart:, 5:spade:, 4:diamond: (2 players)Hero bets, BB calls.Turn: (3 BB) 3:heart: (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.River: (7 BB) K:club: (2 players)Hero checks, BB bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 8 BBAny argument?I hate stealing from the SB because I almost NEVER take it down pre-flop. It just looks too much like a steal. But with an A I have a hard time passing it up. Should I just fold this pre-flop? Fold the turn after villain raises? If he has 67 I'm drawing dead. Otherwise I have like 9 outs or I'm still ahead.

[Actuary 3]

where are you getting 9 outs from?Fold the turn to normal players at micro.Definitly raise pf, if for no other reason than to get practice!

[Shimmering Wang 1]

where are you getting 9 outs from?Fold the turn to normal players at micro.Definitly raise pf, if for no other reason than to get practice!

He's got a gutshot (4) an ace (3) and a 4 (2)Which = 9I call the turn, and fold the river UI, just like you didWang

[Actuary 3]

where are you getting 9 outs from?Fold the turn to normal players at micro.Definitly raise pf, if for no other reason than to get practice!

He's got a gutshot (4) an ace (3) and a 4 (2)Which = 9I call the turn, and fold the river UI, just like you didWang

my username might be misleading.I really am good at math!ok, I play it the same.

[Emptyeye 0]

9 outs at 6:1 seems like an easy call, but what are the odds villain actually HAS the 67 (Or uberclowned their way into a set with 33 or hit some weird two-pair)? Do we really have the full 9 outs often enough to make the turn call?River as played is fine.And yeah, I'm raising that out of the small blind too.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

9 outs at 6:1 seems like an easy call, but what are the odds villain actually HAS the 67 (Or uberclowned their way into a set with 33 or hit some weird two-pair)? Do we really have the full 9 outs often enough to make the turn call?River as played is fine.And yeah, I'm raising that out of the small blind too.

I'm a lazy poster. Unless I think the people likely to post are interested, I don't usually go through all the maths I should. I'm not British, but I still wanna use the word "maths" a lot. My friend is British, and I envy him. I think our implied odds on a 4, A or 2 here easily outweigh the value we're giving up when our opponent has 67 (rare).No, we don't have 9 full outs to win here. But the money we make when we hit our hand compensates for that, and then some. I jotted the calcs down somewhere earlier to make sure. Let me know if you wanna see them tomorrowWang

[psujohn 0]

9 outs at 6:1 seems like an easy call, but what are the odds villain actually HAS the 67 (Or uberclowned their way into a set with 33 or hit some weird two-pair)? Do we really have the full 9 outs often enough to make the turn call?

We have 9 outs against two pair. 6 against a set of 3s. 67 is the only hand that has us in really bad shape.I think the chances that he has 67 are balanced by the chances he has K3 or absolutely nothing and this is a big FU raise. Though usually you get the FU raise on the flop and not the turn.Does anyone call the river? Is there enough of a chance that villain has only a pair of 3s or less?

[Actuary 3]

Does anyone call the river? Is there enough of a chance that villain has only a pair of 3s or less?

not without a clear read that he defends his BB vigorusly.