DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 1/2 NL, Live handReads; Maniac has a certain affection for suited connectors, plays well postflop and is very creative, bets draws aggressively and made hands the same way. Relevant Chip Stacks; Maniac; 650ishHero; 600ishMP+2; 125Hero hasn't gotten mixed up with Maniac too often..Hero and maniac have pretty much been picking off the other donks and leaving each other be.Maniac limps UTG(Maniac hadn't limped all night, let alone UTG), Folds to MP+2 who makes it 12, folds to Hero on button, with AK , Hero makes it 35 straight, Maniac re-raises to 100 straight, MP+2 folds, Hero cold calls 100. The Hero's thinking is that the Maniac is simply trying to collect the 50 or so dollars in the pot right then and there.Flop; A 6 7 Maniac bets 250, Hero pushes, Maniac calls.What did Maniac have?Should Hero have pushed? Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I wouldn't expect a 3rd reraise with 6's or 7's. He could have the other 2 aces, but that also seems unlikely. Based on your read he could have 89 or any 2 clubs (Ax?). Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 I wouldn't expect a 3rd reraise with 6's or 7's. He could have the other 2 aces, but that also seems unlikely. Based on your read he could have 89 or any 2 clubs (Ax?).Pretty warm.Do you push with AK? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Maniac limps UTG(Maniac hadn't limped all night, let alone UTG), Folds to MP+2 who makes it 12, folds to Hero on button, with AK , Hero makes it 35 straight, Maniac re-raises to 100 straight, MP+2 folds, Hero cold calls 100. The Hero's thinking is that the Maniac is simply trying to collect the 50 or so dollars in the pot right then and there.Flop; A 6 7 Maniac bets 250, Hero pushes, Maniac calls.What did Maniac have?Should Hero have pushed?Curious about the folded part. We had a long discussion about raising with AK in position with people left to act. Here you did reraise and I wanted to know why. The AK thread is really making me try to re evaluate my play with AK preflop. (only reason I'm asking.)for the hand. Str8foward player, i'm thinking that limp raise is AA-KK and you'd have been toast. From a tricky player, it can mean a lot more. He may think that you're just trying to pick up the pot preflop and bumps it to represent AA-KK. Along with your read, I'd say it was a smaller pair. I don't think he's doing with with 89clubs. may A6-7suited. But only if you feel that would be in his repitoire. My guess is he has 66 or 77 but i would have paid it off here. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 If you truly believe he is on the draw, he will be pot committed once you push. He has about 250 left in front of him that he has to put in to win (600+350+blinds and MP $$) so almost $1000.I think your ahead at this point, but I also think if he has a flush draw or OESD that he is calling your all in. I would be tempted to let him see the turn and push if a blank hits. The problem with this is any club or straight card could scare you. 11 clubs, 3 10's, 3 5's, 3 8's, 3 9's. I count 23 cards that could scare you, so you are about 50% to see a "blank". If a blank comes, do you think you push him off his draw if he is getting 3:1?Sorry if that was difficult to read..just typing as my thoughts came to me... Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Maniac limps UTG(Maniac hadn't limped all night, let alone UTG), Folds to MP+2 who makes it 12, folds to Hero on button, with AK , Hero makes it 35 straight, Maniac re-raises to 100 straight, MP+2 folds, Hero cold calls 100. The Hero's thinking is that the Maniac is simply trying to collect the 50 or so dollars in the pot right then and there.Flop; A 6 7 Maniac bets 250, Hero pushes, Maniac calls.What did Maniac have?Should Hero have pushed?Curious about the folded part. We had a long discussion about raising with AK in position with people left to act. Here you did reraise and I wanted to know why. The AK thread is really making me try to re evaluate my play with AK preflop. (only reason I'm asking.)for the hand. Str8foward player, i'm thinking that limp raise is AA-KK and you'd have been toast. From a tricky player, it can mean a lot more. He may think that you're just trying to pick up the pot preflop and bumps it to represent AA-KK. Along with your read, I'd say it was a smaller pair. I don't think he's doing with with 89clubs. may A6-7suited. But only if you feel that would be in his repitoire. My guess is he has 66 or 77 but i would have paid it off here.This guy has some balls to re-re-raise with A6, A7, 66, or 77. A6 and A7 are pretty crappy hands against a re-raise as your only outs may be to hit 2 pair or hit an ace and hope the OP has a PP. 66 and 77 are pretty much no set no bet, and although he hit his set here if he has them, $100 is a lot of money to throw out there on a 2 outer.Im leaning toward AQ of clubs. If the guy limped with AA, he has me fooled and I pay him off... Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 Maniac limps UTG(Maniac hadn't limped all night, let alone UTG), Folds to MP+2 who makes it 12, folds to Hero on button, with AK , Hero makes it 35 straight, Maniac re-raises to 100 straight, MP+2 folds, Hero cold calls 100. The Hero's thinking is that the Maniac is simply trying to collect the 50 or so dollars in the pot right then and there.Flop; A 6 7 Maniac bets 250, Hero pushes, Maniac calls.What did Maniac have?Should Hero have pushed?Curious about the folded part. We had a long discussion about raising with AK in position with people left to act. Here you did reraise and I wanted to know why. The AK thread is really making me try to re evaluate my play with AK preflop. (only reason I'm asking.)Let me help you out here, I'm *not* the hero. I'm the maniac. for the hand. Str8foward player, i'm thinking that limp raise is AA-KK and you'd have been toast. From a tricky player, it can mean a lot more. He may think that you're just trying to pick up the pot preflop and bumps it to represent AA-KK. Along with your read, I'd say it was a smaller pair. I don't think he's doing with with 89clubs. may A6-7suited. But only if you feel that would be in his repitoire. My guess is he has 66 or 77 but i would have paid it off here.Maniac does not have a set, or an ace. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 He's a maniac, maniac, I knowAnd he's gambling like he's never gambled beforeEdit: Flush With gutshot? 8 10 ... Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 If a blank comes' date=' do you think you push him off his draw if he is getting 3:1?no. push is the best play imo. we are slightly ahead versus top pair w/ flush draw and slightly behind oesfd. Those are the best two hands i see the villain having in this spot. at best we are a 65/35 favorite.we aren't folding the best hand on the flop, there's already a decent sized pot here built since preflop.The Hero's thinking is that the Maniac is simply trying to collect the 50 or so dollars in the pot right then and there. Hero should be reraising steals from the maniac sometimes with AdKd here imo. Your own personal case for / against welcome. If I think I am ahead (and we are here enough) I think sometimes bumping it again with AKs is justifiable. Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think you have 6d7d. Possible 54s in clubsNot in love with the push. Actually, I'm not fond of it at all Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 Hero should be reraising steals from the maniac sometimes with AdKd here imo. Your own personal case for / against welcome. If I think I am ahead (and we are here enough) I think sometimes bumping it again with AKs is justifiable.Maniac, me, would've folded like a little girl to a re-raise. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think you have 6d7d. Possible 54s in clubsNot in love with the push. Actually, I'm not fond of it at allKinda, sorta, not really. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I need to find a casino that spreads 1/2... I;ve only played live a couple times and would rather not take the leap into high limits again.. Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think you have 6d7d. Possible 54s in clubsNot in love with the push. Actually, I'm not fond of it at allKinda, sorta, not really.Got the suits wrong didnt I Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 I need to find a casino that spreads 1/2... I;ve only played live a couple times and would rather not take the leap into high limits again..The 1/2 NL 100 Max Buy in where I live is fantastic--if you can build a stack. IF you're getting drawn out on, not hitting flops, whatever, it can be brutal. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think you have 6d7d. Possible 54s in clubsNot in love with the push. Actually, I'm not fond of it at allKinda, sorta, not really.Got the suits wrong didnt I Kinda, sorta. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I need to find a casino that spreads 1/2... I;ve only played live a couple times and would rather not take the leap into high limits again..The 1/2 NL 100 Max Buy in where I live is fantastic--if you can build a stack. IF you're getting drawn out on, not hitting flops, whatever, it can be brutal.At least if you get drawn out on you only lose a $100 investment. I sat at a 5/10 table because that was all they had with my entire $500 for the night. Built up to about $1600, then gave most of it back with KK vs AA. Ended up leaving up $75 bucks, but told myself I would never sit with that much in a game unless I had the BR to rebuy a few times.. scared money doesn't win....You've got my attention though, I'm curious to see what you had... Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 I'm gonna go play in a little $30 MTT at the B&M, I'll post results, reasoning, and all that good stuff when I get back. Here's what you know, I didn't have a set, and I didn't have an ace.But I was a 57% favorite on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 My God you're not maniac enough to have 84 clubs here are you?Cause if you are I love you in a non sexual way Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 maniac has 7h 8hand is getting the right odds to call here Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 maniac has 7h 8hand is getting the right odds to call hereReal quick, there is an 8 in my hand. There are no hearts and there is no 7. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Yikes if you're the maniac. Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 "But I was a 57% favorite on the flop."You're tricky Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 You do have 8c4c! Link to post Share on other sites
Binbs 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 8 9 Link to post Share on other sites
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