two pocket jacks hands

[KDawgCometh 2]

Did I play these two hands right?Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [J ], [J ]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (14.50 SB) [T ], [9 ], [4 ] (7 players)BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Turn: (10.75 BB) [5 ] (7 players)BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.River: (14.75 BB) [5 ] (4 players)UTG bets, UTG calls, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 20.75 BBand the other oneParty Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+2 with [J ], [J ]. 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) [8 ], [5 ], [4h ] (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) [As ] (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.River: (7.75 BB) [Td ] (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.Final Pot: 9.75 BB

[wrto4556 0]

They both look great.Nice hands.EDIT: I'de like some opinions on the river raise on the first one. That seems a little dangerous...but I have no read. I've been bet into with trip fives plenty of times in this situation.

[Awful 0]

I'm a gigantical wuss, but I don't like when people wake up on a river like that. I'll call and hope they were bluffing, or had like AT and were fearful of some random bizarro 2-pair. That's a case where I DO see a river raise as a zero expectation bet, and a likely reraise if UTG did suddenly make something decent. At the same time, it's hard to get a read on UTG. Someone yell at me if I'm being weak-tight, but there I just call (and possibly lose value). At the same time betting out is weird, because you'd expect to get check-raised if he made something, unless he fears that he'd be checked-behind. Weird river. As said, I call there and hope to see WTF he was playing that way from UTG.Second hand: Well played. Good fearless aggression, not worrying about the A (though I'll bet you were shown A-rag with a gutshot, like A2 or A3), you were never taken out of the lead, I see no problem there. Nice, and a good stab for value on the river. Strongly played, and rightly so.

[wrto4556 0]

Normally, if there was anyone behind you in the first example, you should simply call and go for the over-calls...that way you lose less win you lose and win more win you win...here there was noone behind you.Let's consider. If you raise, you win two extra bets when you're good and lose two extra when you're bad...He will have trip fives less than 50% of the time IMO, so raising seems correct.Someone tell me where my thinking is at....gutter or right on?

[Awful 0]

Normally, if there was anyone behind you in the first example, you should simply call and go for the over-calls...that way you lose less win you lose and win more win you win...here there was noone behind you.

I misread that HH and thought someone was behind him. Oops, my bad. I still think the wake-up is VERY mysterious and that causes me to go all wussy because it seems like a very passive table from the action seen over both hands, and typical at the level and site he mentioned.

Let's consider. If you raise, you win two extra bets when you're good and lose two extra when you're bad...He will have trip fives less than 50% of the time IMO, so raising seems correct.

Actually, it depends on your response to a raise. I don't see these guys making daring bluffs, and I see both of them calling since they already put money in on the river. You could be getting 2-1 on them not having a 5 if you can fold to a reraise with a clear conscience, or 1-1 if you gotta see it since the reraise will fold out the man in the middle. Given that hero is in last position on the river, yeah, it makes more sense. Unfortunately, I do fear a 5 pretty much 50% of the time, with either a suited king or queen, or along with any ace.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I looked at the river raise as a value raise. I had and normally fire and keep on firing if they are being passive with over cards, I didn't like the wake up on the end, but when he didn't raise back I thought the raise was for value, in this case i was beat.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Second hand: Well played. Good fearless aggression, not worrying about the A (though I'll bet you were shown A-rag with a gutshot, like A2 or A3), you were never taken out of the lead, I see no problem there. Nice, and a good stab for value on the river. Strongly played, and rightly so.

unfortuntely for me Bingo on what you said(A 6 ) the winner was a calling station so I wasn't sure if I was still in the lead

[wrto4556 0]

Awful, you are correct. You don't see many people bluff the river.Smooth calling the bet looks like your best option.