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[screech]

SB is a retard - 80/10/1.5.BB is normal - 27/10/1.6.Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is UTG with A:spade:, 8:heart:. Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) J:diamond:, 2:diamond:, A:club: (3 players)SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) J:club: (3 players)SB bets, SB folds, BB calls.River: (9.50 BB) 3:spade: (2 players)BB checks, Hero checksFinal Pot: 10.50 BBI liked how I played this hand, which is why I want to know if it's flawed.Keep in mind UTG is only 2 off the button.

[Shimmering Wang]

I don't play shorthanded all that much, but when I do, I love playing hands JUST like this.His bet out on the flop is suspicious, so we're almost assuredly ahead.Raising the turn is best, because we get max value from a draw.There is an argument for betting this river, especially when you're only 5-handed, but I won't bother with it here. Checking behind when he's almost always on a draw is the safe playWang

[MrNiceGuy]

NH.Are you folding if you get 3-bet on the turn?

[KDawgCometh]

you should adjust the pot size, cause its obvious that you value bet the river and the villian folded, which is the best play to make there

[screech]

KDawgCometh said:

you should adjust the pot size, cause its obvious that you value bet the river and the villian folded, which is the best play to make there

The converter must have screwed that up. I actually ended up checking behind. Should I bet for value here? I usually struggle with raising the turn for a free showdown. I never know whether I have a value bet on the river.

[Briguy]

It's marginal. He's not calling with a busted draw, and there aren't a ton of worse aces than your own. I'm not sure that a value-bet is warranted if BB is any good, but I'm willing to entertain some math to convince me otherwise.

[pokerplayer24]

I think i'd value bet this river. The BB is a lot more likely to have a weaker A then a stronger one in this spot.The point of the turn raise is to basically charge draws and possibly fold aces that we might split with?

[Actuary]

value bet the river that's my first thought.I like waiting until the turn to raise.You were folding to a 3-bet right ?SB wasn't that retarded to 3-bet w/o having you crushed, right?*** read replies ***whooohoooo.

[screech]

Yeah, I'm folding to a 3-bet.I guess the river bet would be slightly for value. Most players would get in a raise somewhere with a better ace.

[Wingmaster05]

are you raising all turns that aren't a jack? i don't know, for me this is an auto raise on the flop. Do we just call down when a 3rd suit hits the turn? or is that still a bet fold?

[mrdannyg]

blah blah blah i agree with:waiting until the turn (beautiful)value-betting the river (marginal, but i think correct there. some better aces reraise pre-flop and a lot of better hands don't bet into you.i think you have some positive value from a river bet.my only question is if he three-bets the turn, do you raise, or call, then fold the river UI. seems like you might have the odds to call one more bet to draw to a reasonable number of hands that he is 3-betting there.

[screech]

Wingmaster05 said:

are you raising all turns that aren't a jack? i don't know, for me this is an auto raise on the flop. Do we just call down when a 3rd suit hits the turn? or is that still a bet fold?

I'm pretty much raising any turn card.Danny,If I get 3-bet, I think I should fold.

[mrdannyg]

screech said:

Wingmaster05 said:

are you raising all turns that aren't a jack? i don't know, for me this is an auto raise on the flop. Do we just call down when a 3rd suit hits the turn? or is that still a bet fold?

I'm pretty much raising any turn card.Danny,If I get 3-bet, I think I should fold.

you're getting 10.5:1 on the call here, but i didn't notice turn was a jack.as a hypothetical - if the turn does not pair the board, do you still fold to a 3-bet?

[screech]

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as a hypothetical - if the turn does not pair the board, do you still fold to a 3-bet?

Yeah.I think most of the hands that 3-bet me here are better aces. I usually only have 3 outs to win.

[pokerkid]

what are the advantages of waiting for the turn?Why do people in alot of other threads advise a 3-bet but in this thread everyone likes waiting for the turn? When is it correct to wait for the turn and when is it correct to 3-bet the flop?

[Actuary]

pokerkid said:

When is it correct to wait for the turn and when is it correct to 3-bet the flop?

I'll guess because I'm not sure.We have a read that SB is retarded. Therefore his actions don't really tell us anything. We could raise the flop and SB 3-bets and we've spent 2 SB's bloating the pot for BB's draw, while having no idea where we are in the hand. Against this opponent you rely more on basic probability. We have an Ace, we are likely ahead.. there are only 2 other Aces in the deck. The turn charges BB maximum while putting SB to the test. Even retards can slow down on the big streets.When the opponent is sensible, aggression on the flop helps define our relative strength while it's cheap to do so.something like that.

[screech]

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something like that.

Yeah.I can't knock anyone out with a flop raise. If the turn comes a bad card like a jack or a diamond, it may get raised in front of me and I lose the minimum. If it comes a good card, I can raise, and really put pressure on a hand like A9.

[pokerkid]

If the BB folds the flop do we still wait for the turn to raise?