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[Downstream]

Just wondering what you all think about this. I seem to be playing for free from the BB almost every time due to passive players in my .25/.50 game online.In this situation, with bad cards, sometimes I will hit a flop. Usually its not the nuts, but a good hand, like two low pairs etc. I seem to stay in on these types of hands with action from others too often, and i think it might be a leak. I think I might overvalue the sneakiness mentality of hitting a hand when the board is like 285.Anyone have ideas about this? Just looking for general discussion about your play on a good free flop from the BB. This is about a No Fold 'Em game here.

[Jordak]

How many people seeing the flop in your No Fold'emgame? Manytimes two small pair will lose if there are5 or more players chasing to the river, unless you boat upI dont think you can fold it, but I would not raise with it unless it was 3 or less players, or if the turn comes and noone else is betting

[DwayneWayne]

BB/SB are HUGE leaks! Just by getting involved too cheaply you have the mentality to take the hand way too far.Get poker tracker/office and you will see.BB/SB are a drain. Why...you are out of position and mostly playing hands that are very difficult to play post flop (if at all).The times you are hitting top pair no kicker, small 2 pair, these hands get crushed in no-foldem. Another reason why these are probably costing you money.

[Downstream]

Usually there are 5 people on the flop along with me. Sometimes all 10, which is just ridiculous. I try not to raise since almost everyone will call. I almost always fold the SB unless its a top 5 hand. It almost never holds up otherwise. Maybe if there are only 2 callers I will play a lesser hand. I admit, its fun to raise a hand from SB and watch 8 people call it with their 78 off, J6, Q9, and pocket 2's. I cant tell you how many semi-bad beats I've taken from Qx cold-callers (not playing from blinds).I think I should get poker tracker. Maybe I will switch to another site that PT supports better. I am at Poker Room which it does support and I don't really play tournaments, so I wont be missing much. It seems like Party Poker is the best fit.What do you guys think of Party Poker?

[Downstream]

XXEddie said:

If you flop something like a low two pair from the BB, you need to play it very carefully. With a buncvh of limpers obviously(unless someone is slowplaying) that low flop might have hit a suited connector of some sort, maybe even given someone top pair. In my opinion, I play aggressive though post-flop. I wanna git rid of any hands that could outdraw me

Downstream said:

I almost always fold the SB unless its a top 5 hand.

loosen up....no offense

No offense taken. I just got the Lee Jones Lo Limit book and seeing that I can play AA-77 and AK-QJ or so. Looks like I was too tight. I just fear a leak on the blinds.thanks for the tip. Im not one of those who will get bitchy on you when someone critiques. So feel free to help me out, I'm just starting at low limit online and trying to grind and learn.

[Cosmo]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, I also picked up Lee Jones' book and have found it somewhat helpful but i also believe it has you playing a little weak tight, although this is how you have to play in the lower limit rooms. Playing the small blind through my experience has shown some leaks in my game, i sometimes feel that i should defend them and sometimes i end up playing really bad hands that should have been thrown away from the beginning. You just have to be very careful on what hands you play because your position is really poor

[Downstream]

I am now trying to play the tips from Jones in my .25/.50 game. The starting hands are what is probably going to help the most. I used to play any two face cards or 10's from anywhere pretty much and it seems that this is a bit loose.I havent read every detail, but what I want to know is how to call raises after you, not before. I know you normally have to call almost, but what if its capped? Do you fold?

[DrawingDeadInDM]

One from the archives!I think you need to be careful playing out of the BB and SB. A lot of times players will limp with a hand like JJ-AA hoping to limp/re-raise. A similar situation happened to me not so long ago when I had 83 in the BB and checked my option.Flop came J83. I checked, player 1 bet, player 2 raised, I pushed 120ish into a pot of roughly 100 after the bet/raise. and got called by J8 and JJ.But then again, if you say, flop the nut straight with a hand like, 64, or flop a boat with Q5, it can really disguise your hand.

[macphec]

I've been folding trash hands about 100% of the time from the sb nowadays. (since getting soem good advice from this forum)I am saving enough to put my kid through college doing it.

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macphec said:

I've been folding trash hands about 100% of the time from the sb nowadays.  (since getting soem good advice from this forum)I am saving enough to put my kid through college doing it.

It's kinda a tough habit to break. If I get a hand like Jh9h, I often want to see a flop with it, though I know I shouldn't. A lot of times, you're getting the right odds to do so, and you should, but, playing it carefully, is the key.

[macphec]

Dude, J9s is a monster from the SB!I'll play that everyday from sb.

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macphec said:

Dude, J9s is a monster from the SB!I'll play that everyday from sb.

Really?So where's your cut off? J8s? J7s? J6s? T8s?

[macphec]

J8 s is probably the cutoff for that type of handI'm also playing any connecting or 2 gappers..ie 53, 64, 65, 75, 86, 85, 98, 87, 109, suited or notI'm obviously hoping to flop a monster but I can easily get away from tp or 2nd pair(most of the time )

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macphec said:

J8 s is probably the cutoff for that type of handI'm also playing any connecting or 2 gappers..ie 53, 64, 65, 75, 86, 85, 98, 87, 109,   suited or notI'm obviously hoping to flop a monster but I can easily get away from tp or 2nd pair(most of the time   )

Heh..yeah, most of the time, you and me both.I suppose that's a pretty smooth range, especially since you're almost always getting huge odds on completing from the SB.I completed the SB with 82os from the SB in a 7 handed pot and flopped a boat. "Ohh, how can you call with that? Whaaaa" "Oh, Cause I was getting 15:1 on my money, that's all" Heh.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

It's a leak because you play poorly post-flop out of position.That's an inherently difficult thing to do.It really is just your position. It makes that big a difference.

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TJ_Eckleburg said:

It's a leak because you play poorly post-flop out of position.That's an inherently difficult thing to do.It really is just your position.  It makes that big a difference.

Playing well postflop out of position is difficult enough. Nothing like making a good sized raise preflop to get called by the button, bet out on the flop and get raised, when holding an overpair that could've just gone down in flames.

[psychoe16]

I have been using Poker Tracker for about 3 months now and I was shocked at how much of a leak my BB and SB were...you don't really consider the size of the leak one half bet at a time (from the SB).I really tightened up my play and saved significant $$ from both of those positions...I play in a lot of limit games, primarily at the 2/4 level. Looking at my statistics prior to making the adjustment my net win in the BB when you don't include the forced bet (Poker Tracker separates it for you) was about half of my net win from the premium positions closer to and including the button (i.e. $100 in BB vs $200 on button). After I made the adjustment my net win from the BB was two or three times the size of my net wins in the positions closer to the button ($400-$600 in BB vs $200 button).I generally book about $8-10/ hour...not tremendous, but I am a net positive player. Plugging this little leak has only improved my take each month.

[SapphireTiger]

i tend to overplay when i hit the flop from the SB/BB...That's why i play less hands than what might be +EV to do. Until i work on my post-flop play i'm cutting down on the hands i limp in with through the SB...It's very tough to play in the SB/BB when you hit the flop...definitly something a lot of people need to work on.