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[Wilderness]

I'm curious as to how everyone plays something like JJ or 1010 after limping and then having a flop where you are an overpair. I have a couple of hands like this last night, one of which I've included below that I don't think I played well.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) converterUTG+1 ($7.15)MP1 ($24.75)Hero ($21.40)CO ($22.25)Button ($13.80)SB ($2.75)BB ($8.60)UTG ($17.15)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J:diamond:, J:spade:. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $0.5, SB calls $0.40, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25.Flop: ($2.75) 3:club:, 2:spade:, 7:diamond: (5 players)SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO folds, Button calls $2.25, SB folds, UTG+1 folds.Turn: ($7.25) 2:diamond: (2 players)Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.River: ($15.25) 9:heart: (2 players)Hero bets $7, Button raises to $7.05, Hero calls $0.05.Final Pot: $29.35I had no information on the player, so his min pre-flop raise didn't really tell me much of anything. I certainly liked the flop when I saw it, so I bet out about pot size. When I get called, I'm thinking overcards, AK or AQ probably. I don't like the turn since it paired the board, and you never know if this guy would raise something like A2s and then hang on once he catches a piece of the flop, so I bet out again and am not happy to see him call.Now, after being called on both the flop and river, I'm not sure where I am and definitely don't like my jacks so much. So maybe I should have slowed down at this point and checked, but if I do that and he goes all-in, I'm not really going to want to lay it down either. Is there a better way to play it?

[DwayneWayne]

Why didn't you raise pre-flop, it will help play the other streets. Do you usually limp with JJ and TT?

[Absolute]

What would really worry me here is the button might be slowplaying a big hand because of all the limpers. His small raise makes me think he wants players here, but that's still to hard to determine given you had little information on this player.I like your bet on the flop to see where you are at, and his smooth call on the rainbow nothing flop is curious.I think your best bet on the turn is to check or put him all in. Because you know that you uare playing out the rest of his $11 with that four dollar bet you made, so why know just make it seven more. Also, checking to see where you are at here isn't a bad move.Given your play on the turn, your river bet was correct. He has nearly half his chips in there, your only move is to make him committ the rest. You are probably only beat with 99, QQ, KK, or AA.

[Wilderness]

1010, yes I usually limp ... with JJ, it depends. I tend to limp more than raise, which I'm sure is something I should change and start raising with it from MP-LP. In this case, if I had raised pre-flop, it may have helped me if he had folded. If he had called, I probalby would have thought him overcards on the flop.Now that I re-read the hand again and the converter shows me the pot on each street, I probably should have bet more on the turn, if he called 6 or 7 then he's likely got me beat. Of course, he's pretty much all-in after calling 7 so then I'd have the odds to call the rest of his stack.The reason I didn't slow down on the turn is I figured he could easily just have overcards to call the flop bet. Maybe that's where my thinking was incorrect.

[KDawgCometh]

I like raising with 10s and Js, you have a premium hand and it will chase outy weak draws(hopefully). If low cards flop like there a solid raise will tell you that you re ahead most likely and then you should just take over and take down that pot. Your non preflop raise could've allowed a much weaker holding to beat you and then you'd be whining about a bad beat. Flop bet was solid, straightforward considering your holding. The turn is where you should've made your move on the pot, there is $6.75 in the pot and you bet less that 2/3 of the pot, I think yu should either check(not the play I like) or put the villian in, calling the $4 is pot commiting him to the hand so your gonna get all his $$$$ in anyway why not put him to a possible decision on the turn

[DwayneWayne]

The Button’s raise preflop of only the minimum screams PP or a hand like JTs, something that is looking to build a pot. AA-TT I don’t thinks so, no way they want a lot of hands seeing the flop. More like 22-77, even 88 by a very passive player. If you get a chance to play PL this is how a lot of players seem to play hands like this, so they can blast the flop if they hit, or even if they miss and have position (like now).***I think raising preflop will help thin the field which is what I want when I have JJ, this is a very hard hand to play post flop, I think raising with this can only help with harder (more expensive) decisions later.***But if you limp in your basically at the mercy of the cards and out of position in this case which is not a profitable way of playing NL.The bet on the flop is fine, and with him calling here you can’t possibly get a read on that flop, so when the turn comes I think you def have to bet more here. $4 into a $7 pot is giving him almost 3-1 on the call when you showed no aggression pre-flop. He could have 2 big diamonds and easily make this call. I think a big bet on the turn can save you money on the river. Bet out like $8 if he calls you can probably check fold the river, it’s a tough lay down but he has shown a lot of strength by staying with you. The river is just another reason why you should have raised pre-flop, you have top pair, out of position play with someone who has come a long way to get here. Your stuck calling the last $7, probably losing to a set of 3’s or A2c.

[Wilderness]

At first, while I realized I should have raised pre-flop, I didn't think it made a big difference in this case. Now though, after reading through it and thinking, I think you are right and it would have made a big difference. Not raising was probably the big error and would have given me a better idea of how things were. If I had raised PF and been called, then bet out a pot-sized bet on the flop and was called, it would have been easier to check on the turn.

[Alcatraz]

I agree that you really want to narrow the field preflop with hands like TT and JJ. If not, you're really hoping to flop a set.That said... if I have an overpair to the board, I like to jam the pots pretty hard. Unless I have reason to suspect otherwise, I have a) the best hand going and B) a vulnerable hand that needs protection.I'm usualy willing to claim the pot right now. Of course that's because I've usualy raised enough pre flop to make the pot worth firing a big bet into.

[wrto4556]

Raise pre-flop."I raise Tens and up from anywhere at the table. 99 and 88 I raise in middle and late position if noone else is in."The pot size bet on the flop was good"Find out where you are at. Him calling on this sort of board is weird...probably is a fish or hit a set."Put him all in on the turn."You have two-pair. More times than not, that deuce helps you more than someone else."