10 replies to this topic

[Dynon07]

Personally I would raise the guy , then deal with the consequences if I was beat. Just calling that is bad IMO, he would have six dollars after that so your basically calling the rest anyway. I would lean towards either raising or just folding, most of the time people are going to do the same play with K 10, K J , and KQ. Just put him all in. Only hands I would be worried about is 33, 44 , K4, or K3. Highly unlikely he has KK, he might just be making this play with a strong draw.

[vanilla icely]

Id put him allin, simple as. There're more realistic holdings that you beat in this instance than those that beat you. Youve got him outchipped by quite some way, KK or AA is unrealistic - if he's got a set, or some goofy 2-pair, id pay him off, and hope that would teach me to raise pf with AK. Sure its only a drawing hand, but its a pretty damn good one! You were in sb, and if he's the only limper, I raise and see where youre at. I know you have crap position after flop, but you could win it right there, or easily throw it away if you dont hit...

[Boston Tom]

dumb not to raise with AK here, but since you didn't, villain has no idea what you are betting. I'd reraise and put him to the test. I think you have him beat here most of the time.

[belamorte]

Come on - not raising with AK because you are scared that people will call = weak tight. While you do not want several callers you must raise here just for that reason - unless you have massive amount of info on the players. IMO if you are just going to call here you should fold and get it over with.. You are letting in so many lousy hands in. You say the table is loose, even more the reason to bet/raise with big hands. So you go sucked out on with your KK, it happens but dont play scared because of that.ok what happened is - you flopped the K and now you have a big decision because any donk playing qd7d or 43 has you over a barrel and you dont know what to do. Had you raised pre-flop you would hopefully have chased those garbage hands away and now you can put villian on something. (At least you could bet the K with confidence knowing you did all you could) . As it stands you backed yourself into a corner and have no idea what to do.Dont be afraid to raise with AK, however dont overplay it post flop. It is a big favorite against most hands. Raising pre-flop with AK = +EVSorry did not mean to make this seem like a lecture but against low stakes you must make you big pre-flop hands count.

[Boston Tom]

you know... if you raised pre-flop, you'd have a better idea where you stood, and the guy might've even folded.Just sayin'. You're playing weak/tight, so fold.

[Dynon07]

If the table was really loose like you said, the guy could have thought you were an idiot as well. I would have made the same play with K 10 , K J , K Q, or K anything against people I didn't have much faith in. You could be beat here like you said, and its not bad to rule that out as an impossibility.I understand your logic in not wanting to raise AK, against extremely wild players I don't think that this is the best play everytime. You don't really know much about the guy since he just sat down, so it might be hard to assume he is doing this with just a draw.You could pick a better spot and it is true many players overvalue TPTK. This will get you in trouble lots of the time, especially when you raise AK in a multiway pot and refuse to fold when you are raised.I think however in this situation I would reraise him all in. Chances are you are ahead. If he was watching the table before he sat down, he probably assumed you were bs, and just attacking his blind. He might have just decided to make a stand with a weaker hand. As you said though, cant ever go wrong with folding. If you really thought you were beat, and had a weird vibe about it, you made the right decision. None of us were there to analyze all the clues in the hand, and decipher the atmosphere. Most of the times you get a really erie feeling about a hand, you are beat. However you did bet 5x Pot on the flop, and the guy doesn't have the greatest stack size. If you were worried about AK , it seems like with your mindest it might have been better to throw out a 50-70 cent feeler bet to see where you stand. However you threw out a pretty big overbet to put the guy to a pretty big decision. So your bet kinda contradicts your strategy/mindset, if you know what I mean. I could lean equally towards both extremes in this situation, its kinda unclear what he could have. So if you choose folding with all the clues presented, might not have been the wrong decision...however it might have been. Oh well did you ask him what he had?

[belamorte]

yahaw said:

So you go sucked out on with your KK, it happens but dont play scared because of that. No I didnt won that 1.Raising pre-flop with AK = +EV Probably right.Now what I really wanted to know was this part of my post.Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 3d, Kc ]justcheckin2 bets [$1]. Pot is .70 Mikemcc1 raises [$3]. justcheckin2 ???? Does this raise seem like a draw? I didnt think it did. It looks like he has a set or 2 pair.I folded to the raise I didnt think I had the best hand , and I figgured that I could pick a better spot to commit near half my stack on a questionable hand .(thinking its gonna be all in at some point)Some would say re-raise, I think some over value TP/TK especially in NL, I bet out to make draws pay (if they want to chase) I think the raise here (unless he's a total donk) screams i'm WB, or not much of a favorite. just my 02.cents

Fair einough I just assumed when you wrote about your KK hand that you lost it because of all the callere. Fair enough.The point is that that decision is not there if you raise preflop. But, since you didnt lets see.... He just called so I think we can rule out another big K or big pp. While 44 or 33 is possible most people at this lvl, I find, slowplay their sets and would just call. I would have to put him on a draw (OEST or flush draw) ; perhaps something like 77/66 is aslo consistant with this play. Many hands you could be ahead of here but many you are behind; do you see the pickle you end up in when you dont raise this hand?I feel it comes down to "Do you feell lucky today punk" - Dirty Harry.Too little, info but I would probably call and hope he has a low pair... just the gamble in me. ----edit--- You slowplayed your AK and hit your K what type of flop are you looking for? IMO you hit your flop now take control of the hand.