pokerplayer24 0 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 2/4 6 max (5 handed)Delt A J in BBUtg folds, CO raises, button calls, sb calls, I callFlop 4 handed (8sb)8 9 10 sb checks, I bet, CO raises, button 3-bets, sb folds, I cap, both callTurn 3 handed (10 bb)A I bet, co raises, button 3-bets, I call, co caps.River 3 handed (22 bb)A What is my play here? Can I possibly fold this here for as few as 2 bets? Or am I locked into showing down even if its for 4 bets with the pot being this big. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Check and seriously consider folding if it's 2 back to you. Why did you bet the flop and the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
bdams19 0 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I think you're beat way too much to be calling two bets here personally. I like check folding if its 2 to you. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zach6668 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I like the flop bet.Zach Link to post Share on other sites
WestcoastCanuck 0 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I think you're beat way too much to be calling two bets here personally. I like check folding if its 2 to you.I agree.Also, I dont think I would bet the turn. You realistically are drawing to 9 hearts. Any other card is a sucker card. I don't think we can count a 7 as a full out here, and a Q is very likely to bring you a split pot. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I like the flop bet.ZachI'd rather c/r. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here.we can easily call 1 back to us, and maybe make one overcall, but, its an easy fold for two(the stars short games are insane btw) Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zach6668 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I like the flop bet.ZachI'd rather c/r.You're right. After reexamining the hand, we have the PFR on our left, so we can trap the callers for extra bets.Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zach6668 Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Double Post+1 :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Check and seriously consider folding if it's 2 back to you. Why did you bet the flop and the turn?I made a mistake on the flop as I was multi tabling and for some reason thought the button had raised instead of the CO.On the turn I figured i'm actually good pretty often here. As CO or button could easily be playing hands like JJ QQ KK or even just something like KQ with the K h like this. I mean I wasnt looking for this to get 3-bet back to me on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here.we can easily call 1 back to us, and maybe make one overcall, but, its an easy fold for two(the stars short games are insane btw)Insanely good or insanely bad? Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here.we can easily call 1 back to us, and maybe make one overcall, but, its an easy fold for two(the stars short games are insane btw)Insanely good or insanely bad?insanely yummy Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I dont know how you could possibly consider calling more than 1 on the river.The pot is big, but the reason it got that big is precisely why you cant call 2 cold without maniac reads on all players giving action....Because it would take a maniac to raise here with anything that you beat. The pot is 22 big bets going into the river. You're getting roughly 12-13:1 on the call, but that's only supposing that it doesnt get 3bet behind, which after getting 30:1 at that point, it _would_ be difficult. You're generally going to be getting effectively 10:1 on the call, and i dont think that you're good even close to 10% of the time when faced with a bet and raise. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 So yea in the end I folded the river for 2 bets and was fairly shocked to see KK with the K for the CO and JJ with the J for the button.Basically I was baffled. How the cutoff capped that turn I have no idea. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 I dont know how you could possibly consider calling more than 1 on the river.The pot is big, but the reason it got that big is precisely why you cant call 2 cold without maniac reads on all players giving action....Because it would take a maniac to raise here with anything that you beat. The pot is 22 big bets going into the river. You're getting roughly 12-13:1 on the call, but that's only supposing that it doesnt get 3bet behind, which after getting 30:1 at that point, it _would_ be difficult. You're generally going to be getting effectively 10:1 on the call, and i dont think that you're good even close to 10% of the time when faced with a bet and raise.That was my thinking. Sadly after only being at the table for a few hands I didnt realize that the button was actually a maniac and from what I saw from the CO over the next hour he overplayed everything. Only thing that really confuses me is why the button didnt 3-bet preflop as if he did i'm not in the hand and none of this takes place. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Well, you were caught between two maniacs.It's going to happen.That won't be the case 10% of the time though.. not even close.Buddy list them and get them to pay for the error that they forced you to make. Link to post Share on other sites
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