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[pokerplayer24]

2/4 6 max (5 handed)Delt A J in BBUtg folds, CO raises, button calls, sb calls, I callFlop 4 handed (8sb)8 9 10 sb checks, I bet, CO raises, button 3-bets, sb folds, I cap, both callTurn 3 handed (10 bb)A I bet, co raises, button 3-bets, I call, co caps.River 3 handed (22 bb)A What is my play here? Can I possibly fold this here for as few as 2 bets? Or am I locked into showing down even if its for 4 bets with the pot being this big.

[screech]

Check and seriously consider folding if it's 2 back to you. Why did you bet the flop and the turn?

[bdams19]

I think you're beat way too much to be calling two bets here personally. I like check folding if its 2 to you.

[WestcoastCanuck]

bdams19 said:

I think you're beat way too much to be calling two bets here personally. I like check folding if its 2 to you.

I agree.Also, I dont think I would bet the turn. You realistically are drawing to 9 hearts. Any other card is a sucker card. I don't think we can count a 7 as a full out here, and a Q is very likely to bring you a split pot.

[zimmer4141]

Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here.

[screech]

Zach6668 said:

I like the flop bet.Zach

I'd rather c/r.

[KDawgCometh]

Zimmer4141 said:

Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here.

we can easily call 1 back to us, and maybe make one overcall, but, its an easy fold for two(the stars short games are insane btw)

[pokerplayer24]

screech said:

Check and seriously consider folding if it's 2 back to you. Why did you bet the flop and the turn?

I made a mistake on the flop as I was multi tabling and for some reason thought the button had raised instead of the CO.On the turn I figured i'm actually good pretty often here. As CO or button could easily be playing hands like JJ QQ KK or even just something like KQ with the K h like this. I mean I wasnt looking for this to get 3-bet back to me on the turn.

[screech]

KDawgCometh said:

Zimmer4141 said:

Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here.

we can easily call 1 back to us, and maybe make one overcall, but, its an easy fold for two(the stars short games are insane btw)

Insanely good or insanely bad?

[KDawgCometh]

screech said:

KDawgCometh said:

Zimmer4141 said:

Check/call any amount on the turn, fold the river. There is absolutely nothing we're beating by overcalling on the river. No reason to bet the turn, as you are likely playing catch up here.

we can easily call 1 back to us, and maybe make one overcall, but, its an easy fold for two(the stars short games are insane btw)

Insanely good or insanely bad?

insanely yummy

[Abbaddabba]

I dont know how you could possibly consider calling more than 1 on the river.The pot is big, but the reason it got that big is precisely why you cant call 2 cold without maniac reads on all players giving action....Because it would take a maniac to raise here with anything that you beat. The pot is 22 big bets going into the river. You're getting roughly 12-13:1 on the call, but that's only supposing that it doesnt get 3bet behind, which after getting 30:1 at that point, it _would_ be difficult. You're generally going to be getting effectively 10:1 on the call, and i dont think that you're good even close to 10% of the time when faced with a bet and raise.

[pokerplayer24]

So yea in the end I folded the river for 2 bets and was fairly shocked to see KK with the K for the CO and JJ with the J for the button.Basically I was baffled. How the cutoff capped that turn I have no idea.

[pokerplayer24]

Abbaddabba said:

I dont know how you could possibly consider calling more than 1 on the river.The pot is big, but the reason it got that big is precisely why you cant call 2 cold without maniac reads on all players giving action....Because it would take a maniac to raise here with anything that you beat. The pot is 22 big bets going into the river. You're getting roughly 12-13:1 on the call, but that's only supposing that it doesnt get 3bet behind, which after getting 30:1 at that point, it _would_ be difficult. You're generally going to be getting effectively 10:1 on the call, and i dont think that you're good even close to 10% of the time when faced with a bet and raise.

That was my thinking. Sadly after only being at the table for a few hands I didnt realize that the button was actually a maniac and from what I saw from the CO over the next hour he overplayed everything. Only thing that really confuses me is why the button didnt 3-bet preflop as if he did i'm not in the hand and none of this takes place.

[Abbaddabba]

Well, you were caught between two maniacs.It's going to happen.That won't be the case 10% of the time though.. not even close.Buddy list them and get them to pay for the error that they forced you to make.