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[Juandastyle]

Converter wasn't working so sorry it looks like this:PokerStars Game #3313331007: Tournament #16317401, Hold'em Pot Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2005/12/12 - 12:44:34 (ET)Table '16317401 49' Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: SweetNSasy (8080 in chips) Seat 2: Beaverstyle (9125 in chips) Seat 3: lleexx (14025 in chips) Seat 4: down2dafelt (9010 in chips) Seat 5: phcat111 (12735 in chips) Seat 6: Shaneeaston (7780 in chips) Seat 7: RaceWayDog (7099 in chips) Seat 8: str8frush (5925 in chips) Seat 9: Tpoet (2522 in chips) RaceWayDog: posts small blind 150str8frush: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [6d 8d]Tpoet: folds SweetNSasy: folds Beaverstyle: calls 300lleexx: raises 900 to 1200down2dafelt: folds phcat111: folds Shaneeaston: folds RaceWayDog: folds str8frush: folds Beaverstyle: calls 900*** FLOP *** [Jh 9d 5h]Beaverstyle: bets 900lleexx: calls 900*** TURN *** [Jh 9d 5h] [9s]Beaverstyle: bets 2400lleexx: calls 2400*** RIVER *** [Jh 9d 5h 9s] [4s]Beaverstyle: bets 4625 and is all-inlleexx: calls 4625*** SHOW DOWN ***Beaverstyle: shows [6d 8d] (a pair of Nines)lleexx: shows [Ad Qd] (a pair of Nines - Ace kicker)lleexx collected 18700 from potNow i realize that my play was stupid, but his raise just screamed AK, AQ, in fact that turned out to be what he had. Did he just make a 'terrible' call on the river w/ ace high, or was i just incredibly easy to read???My beef w/ this hand is... bottom line, i put him on an ace high flush draw. He didn't even have that, he had nil. I don't believe he had any tell on me, and my limp/call IMO means either suited connectors or pair, and he still called me for all my money w/ ACE HIGH!flame away.

[Crazee8s]

X said:

fold preflop?

[turd ferguson]

Yeah, you really don't have enough chips to make that kind of move. Later in these online tourneys it's pretty much all preflop play. Pick a hand preflop (not that one) and go with it. Suited connectors are worthless with only 25 big blinds.

[CodyHartman]

Crazee8 said:

X said:

fold preflop?

1/9 (ish) of your stack w/ 68 (but it was soooooooooooooooooted), first mistake IMHO.Nice try restealing the pot later on though. I think you just got unlucky the guy called.

[shpaget]

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critisize this hand please

OK, it sucks, it's ugly and its mother dresses it funny.Anyway..fold preflop.After that...9/10 of the time, if your bluff has failed by the turn it's gonna fail on the river.And finally..I have called with A high and even King high to similar boards, especially if the guy's image warrants it.It's pretty easy to put someone on 8T here, with your betting pattern.His call wasn't terrible...he only has to be right 2/3 times.You only bet 1/3 of the pot on the flop, and barely 1/2 the flop on the turn....you weren't protecting anything with those bets, so it's hard to conclude you hit a piece of the flop.

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Now i realize that my play was stupid, but his raise just screamed AK, AQ

So, KNOWING he had AQ, you called 10% of your chips, out of position, to a hand that beats you 2/3 of the time.The fact is, your opponent used his position wisely.

[Jasun Lee]

it always amazes me when online (and a ton of times B&M) that a player that is bluffing "cant believe" that he was called down by a better hand."HOW CAN HE CALL WITH ACE HIGH?"more like "how can you risk all of your chips with 8 high?"terrible play, but we have all tried to get silly with a hand like 86s. we just never admit it.....

[copernicus]

It looks like you got caught by some bad bet sizing and a good read (even though it was a misread) by the villain.Preflop you limp and then call a substantial reraise, OOP. He is going to put you on a middling A or a pair (or if youve shown the propoensity to play garbage before connected suiters).The flop comes suited and connected with middle cards. How would someone holding a pair with AJ bet? He would protect with a 1/2-3/4 pot bet. Same thing with an overpair or set. How would a draw to suited connectors bet? He may check or he may bet a small amount that preserves his own drawing odds as a "preemptive" attempt to keep the betting down....just what happened on the flop.The turn should be scary for him. The 9 could make trips to an A9, a boat/quads if you already had a set. The bet here is also of a size that could be enticing him to call into the nuts. It should make him think again about his read on the flop. First problem is that many people dont rethink their reads..they lock on to them like a pitbull. Second problem is that your turn bet still doesnt totally discount y0u being on your own draw and trying to pressure him out.So, even if he rethinks his read, he's still got to put you on pocket 9s, pocket 3s or AJ that beat him (the least likely of those because of the flop bet), AQ, AT, A8 that he beats, plus several suited connectors. There are more hands that he beats than beat him. He know has enough of a read to easily call the turn. Since a blank falls on the river he calls easily. If it had been a flush or straight card a bluff would have made him think one more time, and maybe gotten him to fold. It had virtually no chance with a blank on the river.I am surprised he didnt brag that he put you on Ax after it was over.

[Rocketwadster]

Wow. That is all I can really say, about your play and his. There are times and boards to try to bluff at pots, but I don't think this was one of them.Also, what was the bu-in for this event? If it was a low-dollar buy-in/freeroll, don't even bother trying to bluff IMO. However, if it was say over $20 buy-in, I think people would respect the play a little more.

[copernicus]

Rocketwadster said:

Wow. That is all I can really say, about your play and his. There are times and boards to try to bluff at pots, but I don't think this was one of them.Also, what was the bu-in for this event? If it was a low-dollar buy-in/freeroll, don't even bother trying to bluff IMO. However, if it was say over $20 buy-in, I think people would respect the play a little more.

Whats up Rock..you become an Omaha specialist and too good for us here? :wink:

[Rocketwadster]

copernicus said:

Whats up Rock..you become an Omaha specialist and too good for us here?   :wink:

Anything but. I put the past month and a half or so into trying to figure that darned game out, only to lose half my bankroll playing at the limit O8 tables.I can't figure that game out for the life of me, so I am giving it up for abit for reflection, and will now go back to dominating the tournament scene...lol 8)