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#1 Rocketwadster

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 06:42 AM

At the table for about an hour. Watched these clowns play terrible hands from any position, very agressively throughout (ie flopping top pair, no low, and betting/raising). I finally catch a good hand, and a pretty good scoop potential after the flop.STAGE #243989720: OMAHA HI/LO NORMAL $1/$2 - 2005-12-10 15:37:43 (ET)Table: BURNS RD (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealerSeat 5 - TEXFOLDER ($28.25 in chips)Seat 6 - GRAND1605 ($2 in chips)Seat 7 - THEUSA ($87.38 in chips)Seat 8 - YOTEFLONAP ($36 in chips)Seat 9 - BETTYBOOP51 ($14.62 in chips)Seat 1 - LORISO2000 ($28.18 in chips)Seat 2 - ROCKETWAD ($21.87 in chips)Seat 4 - BINRIVERED05 ($50 in chips)GRAND1605 - Posts small blind $0.50THEUSA - Posts big blind $1BINRIVERED05 - Posts $1*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to ROCKETWAD [2d Ad 2s 4c] YOTEFLONAP - Calls $1BETTYBOOP51 - Calls $1LORISO2000 - FoldsROCKETWAD - Calls $1BINRIVERED05 - ChecksTEXFOLDER - FoldsGRAND1605 - Calls $0.50THEUSA - ChecksJust called here. A case can be made for raising, but I wanted the bad hands in there with me, as I knew they would be.*** FLOP *** [5d 8d 6c]GRAND1605 - ChecksTHEUSA - Bets $1YOTEFLONAP - Raises $2 to $2BETTYBOOP51 - Calls $2ROCKETWAD - Calls $2BINRIVERED05 - Raises $3 to $3GRAND1605 - FoldsTHEUSA - FoldsYOTEFLONAP - Calls $1BETTYBOOP51 - Calls $1ROCKETWAD - Calls $1An action flop if I ever saw one. THEUSA I have played many many hands with, and wasn't surprised to see him fold to all that action. Nut low and nut flush draw for my hand. I hold 2 of the twos and have a four as backup, meaning that there is a greater chance that I have the only nut-low.*** TURN *** [5d 8d 6c] [Qs]YOTEFLONAP - Bets $2BETTYBOOP51 - Calls $2ROCKETWAD - Calls $2BINRIVERED05 - Raises $4 to $4YOTEFLONAP - Calls $2BETTYBOOP51 - Calls $2ROCKETWAD - Calls $2No help with that turn card. *** RIVER *** [5d 8d 6c Qs] [As]YOTEFLONAP - Bets $2BETTYBOOP51 - Calls $2ROCKETWAD - FoldsBINRIVERED05 - Raises $4 to $4YOTEFLONAP - Calls $2BETTYBOOP51 - Raises $4 to $6BINRIVERED05 - Raises $4 to $8YOTEFLONAP - Calls $4BETTYBOOP51 - All-In $0.62The worst card in the deck for my hand. Figured that it would have been raised behind me had I called (which I was correct), so I folded. If my two-four was a winner for low, so be it, but I didn't want to spend another $4 (which ended up being $8) to see if I could win half of the pot at most.*** SHOW DOWN ***BINRIVERED05 - Shows [9d 7d Jc 7c] (Straight, five to nine) YOTEFLONAP - Shows [5c 6h 9h 7s] (Straight, five to nine) BETTYBOOP51 - Shows [2h 3c Qc 9s] (One pair, queens) BINRIVERED05 Collects $0.69 from side pot-1YOTEFLONAP Collects $2.07 from side pot-1BINRIVERED05 Collects $13.71 from main potYOTEFLONAP Collects $13.72 from main potBETTYBOOP51 Collects $27.43 from main potIf anyone cares what they had, I have included it above in small print. Look at those hands, and tell me that I should have played it differently pre-flop, on the flop, and on the turn. The river, prehaps I should have called, but doubt it. 8)

#2 KVOM

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 07:15 AM

With 6 people in the pot I would have capped it on the turn.At the end, you lose only to 2-3. Given that you have two deuces, the odds that someone has 23 are low, especially with the flop/turn betting. I call the river.

#3 Fritzmania

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 08:30 AM

Reading your post, all I kept thinking was, "Please don't have an Ace fall on the river." Of course it did, however, I would have also called. I may have missed some bets in doing my math, but you were easily getting the price to call on the end.The idiot that actually had the 2-3 deserved to be shot for even being in that hand.

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 08:38 AM

Fritzmania said:

Reading your post, all I kept thinking was, "Please don't have an Ace fall on the river." Of course it did, however, I would have also called. I may have missed some bets in doing my math, but you were easily getting the price to call on the end.The idiot that actually had the 2-3 deserved to be shot for even being in that hand.
I agree with your assessment of Bettyboop. I havent played many hands with Betty, but PT shows the range of hands that she plays as being any four cards apparantly...lol.I am not convinced that I should have called the river though (and am very glad I didn't in this particular hand). At most I would have won half the pot, possibly a quarter of the pot, if anything at all. For some reason, I was thinking to myself after the river card fell that if it was a 2 that fell, I would have called, but when it was an ace, for some reason I figured someone to have the 2 3 (maybe I figured someone had ace 2 3 or something...can't explain it).

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 08:39 AM

Pre-Flop: Raise. 3/4 players still to act behind you have put in blinds. You may want the bad hands in, but only if they pay. Make 'em.Flop: I agree with calling first raise, but when it comes back I would cap it, you are not going to lose anyone.Turn: Jam here: 4 players, but you have 2 of the 2's, nut low, flush draw, c-f protection.River: damn. I would probably have called it down though, given the size of the pot.Would a naked 23 have stuck around if you had jammed the turn?

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 09:05 AM

the ace on the river helps youi can see someone calling down w/ a2 to the river, not 23so now their low is counterfitted, while you still have the second nut lowtherefore, instead of getting quartered, i can see you winning the low now.but of course, at these levels ppl will call down w/ queens and a 23 lowand you seriously cannot fold to one bet on that river

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 09:10 AM

Davin said:

and you seriously cannot fold to one bet on that river
It was one bet to me at the time, but up until then, the guy who was yet to act behind me was the one doing the raising. I figured it would cost me two bets to see the river, and as you can see, it would have cost me 4 of them. I probably should have shown agression on the flop or turn, which MAY have gotten Bettyboop to fold. Still, it would have been a tough call there IMO.

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 09:17 AM

Chamonyx said:

Pre-Flop: Raise. 3/4 players still to act behind you have put in blinds. You may want the bad hands in, but only if they pay. Make 'em.Flop: I agree with calling first raise, but when it comes back I would cap it, you are not going to lose anyone.Turn: Jam here: 4 players, but you have 2 of the 2's, nut low, flush draw, c-f protection.River: damn. I would probably have called it down though, given the size of the pot.Would a naked 23 have stuck around if you had jammed the turn?
I play it same way, with scooping potential of hand you are loosing big equity for not getting as many extra bets in.You have to jam, only 5 cards hurt your hand (unfortunalty 1 came up) IMO you played the hand rather weak tight.

#9 Fritzmania

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 12:30 PM

Someone as bad as Betty was not folding on that turn. Don't try to use logic on someone like that; it's pointless.On a nut flush I flopped last night on a 10/20 table, I had someone that only had a pair of 4's on the flop chase down a runner runner full house when a King fell on the turn and another 4 on the river for 4's full of Kings. Now that was a crying call by me.Don't think horrible players only exist at low limits.

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 01:13 PM

[quote=Fritzmania]Someone as bad as Betty was not folding on that turn. Don't try to use logic on someone like that; it's pointless. I agree that she probably wouldn't have laid it down had i gotten agressive. I wanted the bad hands to keep putting money in the pot, BUT I definately didnt expect to get hosed like that. Probably a good thing that I didn't, but we will never know.On a nut flush I flopped last night on a 10/20 table, I had someone that only had a pair of 4's on the flop chase down a runner runner full house when a King fell on the turn and another 4 on the river for 4's full of Kings. Now that was a crying call by me.Don't think horrible players only exist at low limits. I know they don't




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