Actuary 3 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Villan: 23/1.2/2 80 handsParty Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Actuary is SB with A:club:, A:heart:. UTG calls, 3 folds, UTG calls, CO calls.Flop: (7 SB) 4:club:, 3:spade:, Q:diamond: (3 players)Actuary bets, CO folds, Actuary calls.Turn: (5.50 BB) K:spade: (2 players)Actuary checks, UTG bets, Actuary calls.River: (11.50 BB) 8:heart: (2 players)Actuary checks, UTG bets, Actuary calls.Final Pot: 13.50 BBok? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I think yo got too cute on the flop.3-bet and lead the turn.In position, it's a bit better. No worries of having the turn get checked through. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 3-bet the flop. You're destroying all the queens that huckle is raising you with. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!I'm not not 3-betting flop because I'm afraid of Qx.I'm not raising flop in order to set up turn.Damnit! Do I have to do it the old fashioned way everytime!He may be playing a lower pocket pair and fold Turn UI after trying this play. Or after 3-betting, if I lead Turn and he Raises, I feel pain in stomach as I call down.As it was with his Raise on Turn, I was less concerned about being beaten because he has less "proof" that I'm super strong.I think the K was a bad card for me since it coulda slowed him down.Unless he had KQ, in which case, I woulda saved 3/4 BB, since he was almost broke on river."woulda" should be a word.thanks for opinions!I'm kinda going thru experimental phases now, as I"m back at .5/1 (lol, not like I ever got past 1/2...) Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 fps warning!!!!!!!!j/k Link to post Share on other sites
Emptyeye 0 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Haven't read replies.3-bet flop, call a cap, lead the turn. If he raises the turn, go into calldown mode. I think you'll get a better idea of where you are that way.EDIT HAVING READ YOUR REPLY: Granting that the limits I've played are below even .5/1, but I've found that an Occam's Razor approach to my play--"the simplest move is usually the best"--has done well for me to this point. That will probably change as I move up the ranks. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 note to self:Actuary,don't post when you play hands in a non-traditional way, especially ones that play themselves so easily, like AA. Repsonses will fluster you. Wait until you play 3/6, then they will oooh and ahhh.sincerely,Actuary. Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 note to self:Actuary,don't post when you play hands in a non-traditional way, especially ones that play themselves so easily, like AA. Repsonses will fluster you. Wait until you play 3/6, then they will oooh and ahhh.sincerely,Actuary. lol, i was going to say something similar. at 5/10 or something like that no one could argue with switching up your play, but .50/1.00 your going to get critiqued until your blue in the face. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 note to self:Actuary,don't post when you play hands in a non-traditional way, especially ones that play themselves so easily, like AA. Repsonses will fluster you. Wait until you play 3/6, then they will oooh and ahhh.sincerely,Actuary. this is true because the simplest way is almost always the best.you didn't really give us enough information to justify playing this non-traditionally. if we knew how much money he'd started the hand with for instance, that might affect the analysis.mostly though, this non-traditional way is less liked because it gives him more options. to compare the two hands:traditionally, you three-bet the flop and lead the turn, whether he caps or not. if he raises turn, you call down. call this way A and your way B.situation B gives up half a bet on the flop, whether behind or ahead, since his raise does not tell us whether you are behind or not.on the turn, A usually wins one bet when ahead and loses two when behind. there is a reasonably good chance he raises there with AK though, so you will sometimes win two when ahead.however, B will win two when ahead and usually lose 3 when behind. rarely will you get reraised when ahead. i don't think having this checked through is particularly likely.on the river, A will usually win or lose one bet, although if he indeed had AK, he may check the river behind if he raised the turn.since you are leading the river or check/calling a turn reraiser, you will win/lose one bet pretty much every time.i really don't like assigning percentages to outcomes, so i haven't come to any definite conclusions. but it seems like you are giving up half a bet on the flop for the possibility of winning an extra bet later, while also allowing for losing an extra bet later.so it seems like you are usually risking 1.5 bets in hopes of winning 1 bet. i think you are usually ahead on an X-Q-K flop with AA, but perhaps not often enough, especially since you are giving options to another player. that isn't a big worry since at the lower limits, the players are by no means guaranteed to make the correct decisisons, but it's still not a good trend.daniel Link to post Share on other sites
Emptyeye 0 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 lol, i was going to say something similar. at 5/10 or something like that no one could argue with switching up your play, but .50/1.00 your going to get critiqued until your blue in the face.Indeed. In micro-limits in general, most people aren't even going to be paying attention to how you're playing, so switching it up to try and confuse them is useless. Or, "why FPS my big hands when I'm going to get multiple callers by leading out and betting them anyways?" Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 lol, i was going to say something similar. at 5/10 or something like that no one could argue with switching up your play, but .50/1.00 your going to get critiqued until your blue in the face.Indeed. In micro-limits in general, most people aren't even going to be paying attention to how you're playing, so switching it up to try and confuse them is useless. Or, "why FPS my big hands when I'm going to get multiple callers by leading out and betting them anyways?"what does FPS mean? Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Fancy Play Syndrome Link to post Share on other sites
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