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#41 Abbaddabba

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 06:24 AM

I object to someone who clearly knows so little about poker refering to the money in their account as a bankroll.Since we're trying to sound all technical and professional, I think it could more accurately be equated with accounts receivable for the people who he plays with.If he has had any success, he either is lying or has been running well for a prolonged period of time.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 07:27 AM

-sigh-I feel dumber by osmosis after reading this thread.When you do go broke, I'm sure you'll have all kinds of reasons why it's not your fault.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:59 AM

this is the part that gets me. you dont raise preflop w/ AJ. that's fine and dandy. personal preference, whatever. but you get upset when second pair calls you down when you make a bad play on the river. lets break this down for you:1 - you give him a free ride in the big blind when he has 47s. flop comes 6 3 2, two spades, which gives him a GREAT drawing hand (spade draw w/ a gutshot). given this, he has GREAT odds to call your flop bet of $40. by the time it gets back around to him, there's already $150 in the pot. EASY call, even if you don't like "math". (at this point, if i was him, my read on you would be a weak 6 or a draw)2 - a 4 turns, giving him second pair in addition to his two draws. since it gets checked around, there is no reason to believe anybody has a 6 or an overpair. looks like everyone is still drawing.3 - duece rivers, and you bet $150. now, every single draw missed, unless you wanna believe someone could have bet or called on the flop w/ a deuce. so this guy doesn't figure you for a 6 or overpair, knows you missed your draw, and now must be wondering, "why'd he bet $150?". this bet just SCREAMS bluff. is it an easy call? no. but definitely a reasonable call given the info.now, my two questions:- why do you bet so much of your stack on this bluff? if you think he's folding to $150, then he's prolly folding to $50 or $75 in this pot.- if you don't bet AJ preflop cuz its a drawing hand, why would you bet it on the river when your draw missed? betting this river affects your image more than betting it preflop would.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 02:33 PM

I don't mind mucking ATo Pre-flop UTG in a six handed game.Mucking ATs depends on table reads.Mucking AJs 6 handed UTG is not good.I raise ATs 6 handed in a LHE game, but I think it changes a little bit in a no limit game cause of the power of position, which is very important six handed.But also, raises UTG in most games six max or full ring are usually respected, so as I said, raising ATs UTG really depends a lot on the table I think.- Jordan

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 03:16 PM

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dynon07, what site do you do play at? what is your ID there? just curious. we should play some heads up nl ..any limit you want :club: teneight btw, i'm very serious
I dont play heads up much, it doesn' t suit my strategy.
I want to know what this strategy is.It's profitable, if we can believe you, and I trust that we can.But, you've demonstrated the ability to piss on the concept of expected value, hand values, table texture and general concepts, so..let's hear it.
I referred to it before. I posted it in strategy under Play the List and Trust the Gut.The only time I pissed on these things is when I went to this room and just played tournament style poker, in an effort to acquire 500 back as quickly as possible. This is no way a reflection of my normal strategy and I made that clear time after time. Yeah I don't use the lingo, the EV, the anything. I play off intuition and good judgment. People that don't believe me fine, that's your opinion. I posted something that I openly deemed wrong. Then I get people saying they are sure people foam at the mouth when they see me?? Hardly, when I play normally I fire fire fire take huge and never give back cause I fold as soon as I lose leads of hands. These plays weren't even that bad, and for all you people that are falling in love so much with that 4 7 spades call, need some serious help. Glad that blatant heroism is so condoned in this place, what happened to that guy?? He busted of course, cause he tried the same stupid nonsense later and someone had it. The thing is, when I play normal I do have it, every single time, and these people pay me every single time. Thats how it works, cause its not a smart thing to fall behind in hands then call large bets when the board is gay. Sorry that doesn't come across as SKILL to me. Its retarded, passive people are not talented, they just have control issues and cannot fold, don't confuse this with skill. It's not. Not raising AJ, why.... I just sat down. I didn't want to raise to 80-100 which would be standard raise then get reraised... what do I do then? I was watching this room for 15-30 minutes before I entered and people were coming over the top of shortstacks with much much less. I decided to check the flop and see what happens. I dislike tournament style poker in cash games and people act much much differently in raised pots. Why counterfeit your ability to outplay people by going all in preflop??? My strength is my post flop judgment, and while some of you see my AJ limping as stupid and weak I disagree. When I play 2 /4 normally I fire, fire, fire and I can't be doing this with A 10 and such. My raises will mean nothing. When I see people raise AJ preflop I call with anything cause usually they overvalue hands and you can just put them to a tough decision on the flop. And finally for all of you who are so positive, so influenced by my 2 visits to 10/20 where I was playing shortstacked poker , that I am a terrible player. Download Prima Poker and watch Dynon07 play. I would bet my entire soul that even after an hour you would revoke all the negative things that have been said. If you watch me and analyze some hands I played and come to the conclusion "hey this guys still sux IMO he is a tight weak loser" then I will drop everything I am saying and just give up. I am not a bad player in any right, I played all my hands a lot more passively then usual but I was really trying to leave with close to 1000 so I didn't want to fly all in with AQ or AJ or something. I disagree with those plays."Lastly just because a person doesn't abbreviate every concept in poker, play according to the books every time, doesn't mean they are a terrible player. I have no doubts all of you commenting in this thread has a great deal of talent. You are surely far more versed in these concepts then I am. However , I did not learn to play poker from a book or a forum. I played and played and played and formed my own opinions. I came to some strong conclusions and one of them was my raising list, and it doesn't include AJ. This things became much more popular after I already came to many grand epiphanies about this game. I play this game to live, I make decent money per year off 1/2 and occassionally higher. You guys can hate and insult all you like, but come watch me play sometime you will change your mind. I am open to talk on AIM or whatever you want if you want to really get in depth. Anyway my name is Dynon07 , I have an account on all poker sites.And DrawingDead , when you give people advice you have to find the reason they want to play poker. Most people say duh...to make money, but its more complicated than that. Some people enjoy outplaying people, some people like fancy plays, some people like to grind , etc. I sacrificed some of my true talent to play a style that brings in consistent income. Raising AJ and A 10 brings variance so I decided against it. Some hands I know I am ahead but I just fold anyway, its not worth heroing someone with low pair and losing 200 cause they hit. I choose to lead the hands I win, thats how I play and I am hardly ever in a calling situation. Most people can't play this strategy cause they don't have enough discipline, cause you have to be really patient. Online poker nowadays is a giant pride measuring contest. People are trying to outplay each other every hand and they wanna call giant bets with Ace high. Whatever thats not for me, I attacked weak players with giant bets in situations where I am positive they can not fold. If I do not get outdrawn, I always win, always. Thats the bottom line. Days that I lose money I am not playing with all my skill. I always play till I make money, so that is why my session win rate is high. I either lose a huge deal cause I couldn't get it back and go to bed or I play until I am even. I had a great deal of confidence in my skill, and all players that do should always play till they win. You will if you don't get outdrawn. Ever since the beginning I've been trying to give more credit to people for different strategies and I've come along way. If people do things that I don't normally agree with but justify them, fine good for them thats fine. I play this game to always win money and put food on the table, so I can't be playing fancy make moves poker. Yeah I am a hypocrite for what I did the last 2 nights, but hey everyone makes mistakes and I know it wasn't the best choice. Now I look back in hindsight and realize how ridiculous it was and I will work to make sure it doesn't happen again until I have the proper bankroll. I just posted the experience cause I thought it was interesting. I didn't mean for everyone to get so hateful and bring massive amounts of negativity to the thread.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 03:55 PM

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dynon07, what site do you do play at? what is your ID there? just curious. we should play some heads up nl ..any limit you want :club: teneight btw, i'm very serious
i've seen you start threads where you have done the same thing. taken a shot at a higher limit, knowingly, while not playing your optimum game.i'm not gonna get too involved in this... but.-I've watched dynon book a win on 80%+ of his sessions for the past few years.. some have taken him days of steady play to get up, but it happened. I wouldn't believe it either, but its true.-Dynon did say that he wasn't making a wise decision, and it was kind of a fit of passion. This is not his normal play. I have told him not to do this personally, but to each his own. He can afford to roll the dice with 300 or so bucks, so who am I to stop him?-when i played short stack strategy, i didn't raise AJ too often. then again, I was playing to get it all in as quickly as possible, and AJ didn't often show to be profitable. I don't know if that is his motive or not.-personally, I would never do this. I have discussed this with him, and we actually had a less-than-civil exchange due to clashing opinion. He has gamble in him. He is willing to lose the money in an attempt to saciate his frustration.... after all, it IS his money.-i recognize that he should not have posted this in strat, if at all, as the jackals attack everything, good or not. I have done it myself.I have christmas shopping to do with my girlfriend. :roll: if you take exception with this response, i'd like to discuss it with you, partly in defense of a friend, and partly to diffuse the inordinate anger/ egos that some of you seem to harbor.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:53 PM

I stopped reading the posts after the first few flames from drawing dead and fopkins. Dont you guy see that he was doing it for fun? you guys need to take that stick out of your ass. Or at least relax the sphincters a bit.This shit's entertaining. Take it at face value. He wasn't trying to give a poker lesson.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:58 PM

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I stopped reading the posts after the first few flames from drawing dead and fopkins. Dont you guy see that he was doing it for fun? you guys need to take that stick out of your ass. Or at least relax the sphincters a bit
You said all you needed to say when you said you stopped reading the posts after the first few.First, he was doing it to get back to get even on the night, not just for fun.Second, I just had a long talk with him on AIM, and he explained a lot of things that were a bit un clear.I don't think he's a donk. I don't think he's a bad player; in fact I Know he's not.I think he made some unwise decisions, both bankroll management and on the table that night.We've talked about all the things that needed to be talked about and squared everythign away. Maybe you should put your head back in your ass, so you don't make such ignorant posts.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 06:02 PM

Explain how my post was ignorant.I merely stated I stopped reading after you guys were flaming him. Sure, I said it was for fun, but that also means he's not an idiot and realizes that doing that is not a sustainable winrate. Your plethora of anger leads me to believe that you haven't been laid in a while. I can see why if that's a picture of you as your avatar.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 06:38 PM

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Yeah I don't use the lingo, the EV, the anything. I play off intuition and good judgment. People that don't believe me fine, that's your opinion. I posted something that I openly deemed wrong. Then I get people saying they are sure people foam at the mouth when they see me?? Hardly, when I play normally I fire fire fire take huge and never give back cause I fold as soon as I lose leads of hands. These plays weren't even that bad, and for all you people that are falling in love so much with that 4 7 spades call, need some serious help. Glad that blatant heroism is so condoned in this place, what happened to that guy?? He busted of course, cause he tried the same stupid nonsense later and someone had it. The thing is, when I play normal I do have it, every single time, and these people pay me every single time. Thats how it works, cause its not a smart thing to fall behind in hands then call large bets when the board is gay. Sorry that doesn't come across as SKILL to me. Its retarded, passive people are not talented, they just have control issues and cannot fold, don't confuse this with skill. It's not.
you keep sayin things that are mad hypocritical. im not gonna criticize your strategy. you've obviously spent some time developing a strategy that works for you, and that's cool. you're a good player that took a chance, and i wont dispute that. and if you don't agree that calling w/ 47 when your opponent has done nothing to show he has a better hand, that's cool too. but to call that play retarded? come on dog. you've already admitted to purposely playing poorly to make a quick buck, and you've tried to tell us that this isn't your normal play. how do you know that dude was doin the same exact thing? he might have his own reasons for makin a play that you call 'retarded'. like maybe he was pissin away a few hundred dollars cuz he just won the lotto, or got a huge bonus at work, or whatever. but if he's retarded for his call, that would make you retarded for your bet, and i know you dont want us thinkin that.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 06:39 PM

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Explain how my post was ignorant.I merely stated I stopped reading after you guys were flaming him. Sure, I said it was for fun, but that also means he's not an idiot and realizes that doing that is not a sustainable winrate. Your plethora of anger leads me to believe that you haven't been laid in a while. I can see why if that's a picture of you as your avatar.
Your post was ignorant in that you made it without reading the advice that was given. Your post was ignorant in that you didn't understand the context of the flaming. Your post was ignorant in that you posted without knowing the entire situation.Your post was ignorant in that you decided to make a reference to him 'not giving a poker lesson'. So, we have the strategy section to discuss...what? Your post was ignorant in that you still don't understand that he wasn't doing it "for fun". He admitted as much to me in a conversation and in the posts you didn't bother to read. You look like the fucktard here, not me, not Dynon.This thread has run it's course, you can go back to giving your useful insight in the general forum.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 07:34 PM

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Your post was ignorant in that you made it without reading the advice that was given. Your post was ignorant in that you didn't understand the context of the flaming. Your post was ignorant in that you posted without knowing the entire situation.
You're right. I did say I stopped reading after the first few flames. Doesn't make it ignorant, I consciously chose to stop reading. I never set out in my initial post to target you, I merely named the two names I saw first in the responses.

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Your post was ignorant in that you decided to make a reference to him 'not giving a poker lesson'. So, we have the strategy section to discuss...what?
So is the lesson here that we should be playing well above our bankroll? Or is that the strategy? I took his post to be read in jest and simply for a good read. You're interpretation of it was different. So be it.

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Your post was ignorant in that you still don't understand that he wasn't doing it "for fun". He admitted as much to me in a conversation and in the posts you didn't bother to read.
Woah. Just one second. I'm pretty sure I defined what I meant by 'fun'. I'll try once more. "Sure, I said it was for fun, but that also means he's not an idiot and realizes that doing that is not a sustainable winrate. "

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You look like the fucktard here, not me, not Dynon.
I think we all had a chance to not look like a "fucktard". My initial post was merely stating that no one here should take things so seriously. I agree, Dynon doesn't look like a "fucktard". In fact, I found this and his other 10/20 posts a fun read. I'm giving you the opportunity to let cooler heads prevail now.

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This thread has run it's course, you can go back to giving your useful insight in the general forum.
I can't recall the last time I posted in general. But thanks for the insight.I'll just leave it at this...You haven't proved anything by attempting to flame me. The funny thing was my goal wasn't to upset you, or anyone. I was merely trying to lighten things up bit...having said all that, I still think you need to get laid.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 07:47 PM

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I play off intuition and good judgment.
Apparently not....but then, "good" is a relative term.So long as you're finding games where other people's judgement is worse than your own, go for it.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 08:06 PM

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Apparently not....but then, "good" is a relative term.So long as you're finding games where other people's judgement is worse than your own, go for it.
wow. you must just be combing this over and over again, looking to nitpick.it appears to have calm down, so unruffle your feathers. I don't think you can get into anymore cool internet fights here anymore.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 08:44 PM

Cool Hand,I really don't feel the need to respond to any part of your post. I've said all I need to say. Period. End of story. I didn't try and flame you; you stuck your nose into a conversation that had been ended and remedied already. Nothing more needs to be said about this. Sound good?
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 09:18 PM

you know why he is a dumbass.cuz he made a post about this.- Jordan

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 09:34 PM

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you know why he is a dumbass.cuz he made a post about this.- Jordan
God forbid anyone post something for entertainment value, That would sure be a sin. If someone else posted hey I went to 25/50 NL, I wouldn't care what the hell they did, I would be excited to read it. I guess I'm the only one.
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Posted 08 December 2005 - 09:43 PM

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wow. you must just be combing this over and over again, looking to nitpick. it appears to have calm down, so unruffle your feathers. I don't think you can get into anymore cool internet fights here anymore.
*shrug*You seem to be pretty confrontational for someone who's getting pissy about others having 'internet fights'.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:41 PM

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I don't mind mucking ATo Pre-flop UTG in a six handed game.Mucking ATs depends on table reads.Mucking AJs 6 handed UTG is not good.I raise ATs 6 handed in a LHE game, but I think it changes a little bit in a no limit game cause of the power of position, which is very important six handed.But also, raises UTG in most games six max or full ring are usually respected, so as I said, raising ATs UTG really depends a lot on the table I think.- Jordan
This game is 4 handed. AJs is an auto raise.The hands overal just make no sense to me. Afraid to raise with AJs 4 handed when you'll be in position on any likely callers and then call a raise thats 1/3 your stack with A6 h from out of position.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 11:51 PM

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