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[KDawgCometh]

I think I over played this handParty Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with [As :spade: ], [Ad :diamond: ]. 5 folds, MP3 calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) [9d :diamond: ], [8c :club: ], [4d :diamond: ] (2 players)MP3 checks, Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) [9c :club: ] (2 players)MP3 bets, Hero calls.River: (13.75 BB) [Jd :diamond: ] (2 players)MP3 bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 15.75 BB

[Metro]

Knowing that he capped you on the flop, you have to be thinking he's got 1 of 3 things. Set of 4s, set of 8s, or A9 suited. When the 9 hits on the turn, you're now either looking at a boat or a set of 9s. Either way, you have 2 outs. You either have to decide here and now to either muck your hand or call. I don't see why you would raise in this position.

[KDawgCometh]

my reasoning for raising the turn(though flawed) was that he very well could've had KK or QQ since I very well could've been firing w/AK as I had done in the past. I ruled out a set of fours as I couldn't see someone calling a three-bet with 44 or A9. I didn't think to put him on a set of 8s

[Smasharoo]

The turn raise is fine.Not capping the turn is where you should slow down. Sets happen.

[Absolute]

It's possible to put him on a hand like A-9 here, or maybe 8-8, since he didn't cap pre-flop, you can't think he has QQ or KK in the hole.The check-raise on the flop here puts him on something like 8-9 suited (which some players consider a raising hand pre-flop), 8-8, or A-9. A-9 is most likely here (but 8-8 still scares me), so the three-bet on the flop is OK.But keep in mind he check raised you on the flop, which means he's strong. And this turn card HAD to help him, if he has A-9 or 8-8 or 8-9 suited, he's got you, and these are all likely possibilities.So when the 9 comes on the turn, you have to realize you are probably beat. Any raise you make is going to get capped, and you can't commit any more than a one-bet on the turn and river here, because you are usually going to lose the hand.So I disagree with Smash here, saying the turn-raise is fine, there is no way he is gonna lay this down, and more than 50% of the time you are beat here.But if there's something I am not considering, I would love to hear it.

[KDawgCometh]

here's another question, should I have been able to dump this on the turn, or was I commited to seeing a showdown. I hear what everyone was saying on the checkraise and it caught me off guard, but really could I have gotten away from the rockets here

[Smasharoo]

So I disagree with Smash here, saying the turn-raise is fine, there is no way he is gonna lay this down, and more than 50% of the time you are beat here. Not with this pre-flop action. More than 50% of the time you're seeing KK or QQ or even JJ here.Three bets pre-flop with 9x? The 9's pairing isn't particularly scary here untill the turn three-bet.

[Absolute]

Not with this pre-flop action. More than 50% of the time you're seeing KK or QQ or even JJ here. Maybe JJ, but I think KK or QQ gets capped pre-flop.

[Absolute]

here's another question, should I have been able to dump this on the turn, or was I commited to seeing a showdown. I hear what everyone was saying on the checkraise and it caught me off guard, but really could I have gotten away from the rockets hereI don't think dumping this hand on the turn is a horrible move at all. I certainly still don't like the raise, but it will give you information about where you are at. He three-bet your raise, which tells you that you are beat.IMO, you have to get away from this hand. A smooth call on the turn and river maybe, but I don't think a fold is bad either.