fcp to perfection! , i hope.

[Actuary 3]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with T:heart:, 5:club:. 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (3 SB) 7:club:, 6:spade:, 8:spade: (3 players)SB bets, Button folds, SB calls.Turn: (3.50 BB) 2:heart: (2 players)SB checks, Hero checks.River: (3.50 BB) 9:club: (2 players)SB bets, SB calls.Final Pot: 7.50 BBvillan: 78/11/0.5 .. only 20 hands thoughdarnit.I bet all want me to bet this turn now?With no SD value if I don't improve and a rather small pot, i see no point in betting turn. (Edit: By that I mean, taking a free showdown is pointless)Checking also often gets a bet out on river.Please tell me this was goodI was all over the place tonight.But got back all I lost yesterday +15 BBI think in 6 Max, if you are with same group for a little bit, and are showing down winners, you actually do have some fold/free card equity.More so than in full.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

I don't particularly like the flop raise.Free card, yeah, but you're shutting out callers when you need 2 other opponents to be getting priced in here.It's a mixture of the fact that your position is immediately behind the flop bettor, and there's people behind you. Wouldn't it be better to call here, see if LP raises, and 3-bet when SB calls?

[Guest Zach6668]

I like it.There is really no point in getting a free showdown unless you improve. Maybe betting the turn is ok in case you spike a 1o or a 5, and want to show that down free.The way he played it, he could be on a flush draw though, or he could just have overs. That having been said, you don't have much of a hand to protect on the turn, so I don't mind taking off the free card.As for the flop raise, there is only one other player who could call here, is it worth it to have him potentially fold, and then force yo to call a BB on the turn anyways, still drawing, or is the free card play better? If there were more players to act behind you, a call would be better, IMO.Zach

[amarillotg 0]

lovely hand.

[screech 0]

I think the flop raise may be a losing play if you have zero FE (which I think you do).As it worked out, it made money, but think about the times you get 3-bet/bet into on the turn/hit your hand on the river and still lose. Or the times button picks up a hand behind you, and calls the flop raise, but then bets the turn when you check.Assuming a 'normal scenario' where button folds, sb calls, and you get a free card on the turn. Assuming you make up 1.5BBs/3SBs on the river, your effective odds are 8:2, or exactly 4:1. When you factor in the times you hit and still lose, this starts to look like it's a bit less than break-even. When you consider the times you hit and have a split pot, it starts to look a bit worse. When you factor in the times the free card play doesn't work, this play seems like a money-loser.I think the best play is to just call the flop and re-evaluate the turn.

[Actuary 3]

Screech.You are too pessimistic.that's what I get for playing in to the weee hours of the morning.Misapplying tactics.

[screech 0]

Screech.You are too pessimistic.that's what I get for playing in to the weee hours of the morning.Misapplying tactics.

I probably would have raised there too. In hindsight, it's no good.However, if the pot were a bit bigger, raising clearly becomes the best play.

[Actuary 3]

if I call the flop and Button folds.And I'm getting 3.5 to 1 on turn, I have to fold.Given the times I lose or split river anyway.I was going to put LC on this post too.

[TheCinciKid 0]

Haven't read replies...I like it alot. NH.

[Actuary 3]

Haven't read replies...I like it alot. NH.

of course you do.You love raising draws!

[pokerplayer24 0]

I think the flop raise may be a losing play if you have zero FE (which I think you do).As it worked out, it made money, but think about the times you get 3-bet/bet into on the turn/hit your hand on the river and still lose. Or the times button picks up a hand behind you, and calls the flop raise, but then bets the turn when you check.Assuming a 'normal scenario' where button folds, sb calls, and you get a free card on the turn. Assuming you make up 1.5BBs/3SBs on the river, your effective odds are 8:2, or exactly 4:1. When you factor in the times you hit and still lose, this starts to look like it's a bit less than break-even. When you consider the times you hit and have a split pot, it starts to look a bit worse. When you factor in the times the free card play doesn't work, this play seems like a money-loser.I think the best play is to just call the flop and re-evaluate the turn.

What hands are we losing to when we hit. If we hit here we're good almost always.If the button calls then I think their is a small possibility that the 4 and 9 of might not be good. But otherwise i'd say we have 8 pretty clean outs and quite possibly 11.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

JT happens to us sometimes on that river, and there's a spade draw to discount from our "possibly 11 clean outs."3 SB in the pot on the flop.

[Actuary 3]

3 SB in the pot on the flop.

that's why I raised.gotta build that pot so that I have odds to call the turn! if need be.

[pokerplayer24 0]

JT happens to us sometimes on that river, and there's a spade draw to discount from our "possibly 11 clean outs."3 SB in the pot on the flop.

If the button comes along then we can worry about the possibility of all of our outs being clean. To put the sb on j10 or a spade draw is def a long shot.

[screech 0]

I think the flop raise may be a losing play if you have zero FE (which I think you do).As it worked out, it made money, but think about the times you get 3-bet/bet into on the turn/hit your hand on the river and still lose.  Or the times button picks up a hand behind you, and calls the flop raise, but then bets the turn when you check.Assuming a 'normal scenario' where button folds, sb calls, and you get a free card on the turn.  Assuming you make up 1.5BBs/3SBs on the river, your effective odds are 8:2, or exactly 4:1.  When you factor in the times you hit and still lose, this starts to look like it's a bit less than break-even.  When you consider the times you hit and have a split pot, it starts to look a bit worse.  When you factor in the times the free card play doesn't work, this play seems like a money-loser.I think the best play is to just call the flop and re-evaluate the turn.

What hands are we losing to when we hit. If we hit here we're good almost always.If the button calls then I think their is a small possibility that the 4 and 9 of might not be good. But otherwise i'd say we have 8 pretty clean outs and quite possibly 11.

I was mainly referring to our pair outs.Even so, we will sometimes make a straight and still lose to a higher straight/a flush. And sometimes we will only get half the pot.

[Actuary 3]

I was mainly referring to our pair outs.Even so, we will sometimes make a straight and still lose to a higher straight/a flush.  And sometimes we will only get half the pot.

you are too pessimistic.We can usually get it HU.In which case splitting, losing to higher str8, or flush are not nearly as risky. We saw the flop 3 way.I have a T.

[screech 0]

You are drawing one card to a straight.Board is very co-ordinated.You aren't gaurunteed a free card.You may get 3-bet.Pot is small.I've it seems like I'm pessimistic, it's because you're too optimistic. I'm a realist.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

3 SB in the pot on the flop.

that's why I raised.gotta build that pot so that I have odds to call the turn! if need be.

I said the exact same thing, until I discovered my biggest leak is probably spewing into tiny pots for no reason.