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[Guest Zach6668]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP2 with A:spade:, A:heart:. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (25 SB) Q:spade:, 7:club:, 3:spade: (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (21.50 BB) Q:heart: (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.River: (31.50 BB) 2:club: (5 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.Final Pot: 35.50 BBI'm completely lost here. Did I play this ok?Zach

[pokerplayer24 0]

Part of me says check/call the turn and river. Its 6 handed on the turn and it was 3 bet on the flop. If someone doesnt have Qx i'd be shocked.

[Actuary 3]

with no one but pf 3-bettor showing any aggression.I'm inlined to 3-bet turn for value given 3 others still tagging alongTHe 2nd Q might have given button hope that his KK was not jsut beaten by QQ. Or he has AA too.Given you have AA, how often does Buttton have a Q that 3 bets?Any reads on other players, if one of them has a Q, they sure arn't showing it.

[Guest Zach6668]

with no one but pf 3-bettor showing any aggression.I'm inlined to 3-bet turn for value given 3 others still tagging alongTHe 2nd Q might have given button hope that his KK was not jsut beaten by QQ. Or he has AA too.Given you have AA, how often does Buttton have a Q that 3 bets?Any reads on other players, if one of them has a Q, they sure arn't showing it.

A few of the players left in the hand were passive. The CO for example DID have KK, and he didn't raise, or bet, or anything all hand! He was unbelievably passive. As for the others, there were a couple passive players, but most likely I would see them raise a Q there.Zach

[Mattnxtc 0]

this is a tough hand...on the fact that there are so many other people in the hand i think its alright to just call down after the turn though. Obviously folding the river is not even close so dont ever consider that. I like the calling down on the riverif it was heads up with the button though i 3 bet the turn...its very obvious that he has kk

[Guest Zach6668]

this is a tough hand...on the fact that there are so many other people in the hand i think its alright to just call down after the turn though. Obviously folding the river is not even close so dont ever consider that. I like the calling down on the riverif it was heads up with the button though i 3 bet the turn...its very obvious that he has kk

Button didn't have KK.

[Mattnxtc 0]

o then he overplayed his hand then

[Actuary 3]

this is a tough hand...on the fact that there are so many other people in the hand i think its alright to just call down after the turn though. Obviously folding the river is not even close so dont ever consider that. I like the calling down on the riverif it was heads up with the button though i 3 bet the turn...its very obvious that he has kk

Why do you want tend to favour not 3-betting the turn because there are so many others?To me, that's more reason to 3-bet.I thikn Button has AQ or AA, with AA being my 1st choice

[Mattnxtc 0]

this is a tough hand...on the fact that there are so many other people in the hand i think its alright to just call down after the turn though. Obviously folding the river is not even close so dont ever consider that. I like the calling down on the riverif it was heads up with the button though i 3 bet the turn...its very obvious that he has kk

Why do you want tend to favour not 3-betting the turn because there are so many others?To me, that's more reason to 3-bet.I thikn Button has AQ or AA, with AA being my 1st choice

eh...its probably pretty close on what is more ev...i just dont like to do it since multiway i may be drawing to 2 outs at most...what we really dont want is to 3 bet and have some random dude all of a sudden cap...by the turn our hand is pretty vulnerable and im just tryin to show this down as cheaply as possible...but hey i have a more passive approach so some may say to bet until ur broke...

[Guest Zach6668]

this is a tough hand...on the fact that there are so many other people in the hand i think its alright to just call down after the turn though. Obviously folding the river is not even close so dont ever consider that. I like the calling down on the riverif it was heads up with the button though i 3 bet the turn...its very obvious that he has kk

Why do you want tend to favour not 3-betting the turn because there are so many others?To me, that's more reason to 3-bet.

What if it were one of the others who woke up and raised the flop, instead of the preflop 3-bettor?-------------------------On a side note, after going through this hand again, I think the only difference that really could have been made was possibly winning an extra bet if we are ahead, or losing one less bet, when we are behind, depending on whether we bet that turn or not. Obviously we are showing down AA here. I think I just posted this hand out of pure tilt influences. At that point I was 0/3 with KK, and this was the second AA that I lost, and I was down about 40 BB in the first 40 hands or so. I was getting nothing but premium hands, but everytime I had AA or KK, it would be like a 9-way pot. While I still love the equity there, I would get outdrawn by a brutal hand. So, this was more of a steam post.Zach

[Guest Zach6668]

Well, since I just posted that I lost the hand, I will give the results.Button - AQs - Trips :evil: CO - KK - :shock: The most passively played KK on the face of the earth. He only called my raise preflop, and then didn't bet or raise or anything all the way down.UTG+1 - TT - Another incredibly passively played hand preflop. But he should have folded with all of that action. He will make me money one day Zach

[DCWildcat 0]

Why do you want tend to favour not 3-betting the turn because there are so many others?To me, that's more reason to 3-bet.I thikn Button has AQ or AA, with AA being my 1st choice

I'm curious about the last bit...why AA more likely? It's extremely unlikely that both AA's are ever out, and it would seem his call on the flop then newfound aggro on the turn & river would be much more indicative of AQ. And its much more likely statistically.Getting capped on the turn here is boohoo So I shy away from a 3-betGreat table selection though

[Guest Zach6668]

Great table selection though

Thats what I thought, until I went 0/6 with AA and KK...I got them again after that, each of them once, and won two small pots after the table had changed a bit, and become a lot tighter. So I left, still down a hefty amount. Damn variance/calling stations... lolOh well, I still know I win long term if I can get a 6-way capped pot with AA, and then, I still think I managed to lose close to, if not the, minimum amount with the aces.

[AlphaOmega 0]

I like pre-flop and flop obviously (no real way to go wrong there) but on the turn, I'm c/cing down. With that many people in the pot I'm pretty sure that I'm drawing to two outs at best.

[Actuary 3]

DC:my thinking was villan feared QQ, a tad, but after the 2nd Q hit, he thinks his AA may be ok. It was just speculation.********************Given only one other aggressor, I still want to 3-bet the turn to get more money in pot. I hate when the PF aggressor hits his hands so perfectly. I'm usually less apt to give them credit.We have to have 20% equity to 3-bet the turn; or more the times Button caps and some don't call. Yeah, I guess I may have to give Button credit for a Q and just call down, unles he's super lag post flop.