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#61 Scott3705

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 03:12 PM

DrZebra said:

I've addressed those concerns multiple times.  I'm done with this thread.
I said clearly and addressing the questions we had.

#62 Hobbes

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 03:18 PM

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1. Why is min raising here a good idea if we're fairly sure it won't make anyone fold? 2. Why is moving all in preflop or stopping and going a bad play? 3. if these are bad plays, why is folding not correct?
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV. I'll answer for the striped PhD here.1. "In the hand I posted above, the BB is clearly trying to steal/test the waters on the flop. When called he is no doubt worried, but when he sees the turn he is no doubt thinking "maybe the ace will scare my opponent away, after all he only called the minimum flop bet. not to mention I have outs." That far is clear and straightforward."Of course, what is left unexplained is what waters a minimum bet on the flop will test or what it can steal. And the minimum bet on the turn might annoy someone holding K-10, he's still making the "scared" call."maybe this guy is again block/stabbing the turn because he wants a showdown."It would be nice to know why we want a showdown with King high here."If there is ANY fold equity and we establish 4BB's to be equally bad to 5BB's, how can we not bet the turn?"There is no fold equity on a minimum bet into that pot. Just because 4 BB's is as equally bad as 5 BB's does not mean we need to be at 4 BB's.2. "Because of the immediate cash equity UTG+1 gains by calling for the possible negative equity he may perceive "Apparently all the players at the final table use Gigabet strategy.3. "Risking those 3BB's for the chance to have potential cash equity seems like an interesting possibly good play."Is this the same as "you can't win a pot without being in the hand?" No fold 'em hold 'em?

#63 copernicus

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 09:11 AM

No one, including DZ, seems to be willing to do the math...I guess I will have to later. Intuitively once it gets to the turn calling cant be right. I havent looked closely enough to see if results have been posted, but if they have there will still be issues over pre-flop fold equity.




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