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[TheSandMan]

I know that in Hold 'Em pocket aces is the nuts, but what about Omaha? Are they over rated?

[DKE_XP120]

I think it all depends on your other cards.... for instance, Ad,As,Js,9d gives you 2 nut flush hopefuls, along with chances for a strait all the way down to the 7. However, Ad,As,3c,9h kills all flush and strait draws (for the most part) and can really hurt you if you get too aggresive with it. If you have a premium hand with AA in it like the first one, You need to be aggressive after the flop to get out draws.

[bsabres81]

They are still "the nuts", but yes they are probably overvalued. I like to push them before the flop, but be very careful with them if I see a flop.

[ahosang]

AA not to be taken too seriously in Omaha-hi unless you flop a set. It's the accompanying cards that'll make the hand most of the time..

[SwedishPro]

A qauds preflop aces.. priceless

[srblan]

Most hold'em players overvalue pocket aces in omaha. In hold 'em, you don't really need a backup plan for your big pairs. Sometimes you'll make a flush or a straight with them, they are great when you hit a set, but you don't necessarily need a set to beat most hold 'em hands. That is because you only have two other cards to worry about. In omaha, you have 6 combinations of cards per hand to worry about, so your hand almost always has to improve for you to win the pot. You are ahead with them before the flop, but if they don't improve, you are likely beat.If you have the mindset that every omaha hand is a draw (a set is a draw to a full house, in addition to the straights and flush draws that we are all used to) then it will be much less frustrating when you lose with things like pocket aces or kings.If you decide not to raise with them, you are likely to get more action when your aces make the nuts because in omaha high (when you are playing with converted hold 'em players), a raise before the flop usually means aces or another big pair, so if an ace hits the board and the board pairs, you haven't disguised your hand very well and the only action you are likely to get is from the guy with quads who made them when the board paired :wink: . In O8B, it either means A-2 or aces, though far more often it is a-2. In any event, disguising your hand will often get you more action against players that pay attention to what you'll raise with, but against those who don't, go ahead and pop it up before the flop.

[ProfessorP]

SwedishPro check your private messages

[bassplayer45459]

With Omaha Hi/lo my favorite hands to play are 3 cards in a wheel with a high kicker preferrably an ace. Hand like 345 K 234 A and such double suited are what i love, more so than the high end hands. I like to nut the low and try to push out the hi's.

[SoCalRider]

Yes

[pokerat89]

I feel that Aces are only a good hand in omaha when the play gets down to short handed and you can raise to get it heads-up.

[bassplayer45459]

I would much rather have 10 J Q K in my hand than A A x x for omaha Hi. For Hi / Lo i also would much rather have A 2 3 4 than A A x x

[adamkadmon]

No, I don't believe AA is overrated and recommend playing it strong preflop. Ya it depends but I believe not being agreesive preflop with AAxx is suicide.

[jonnyhockey]

I think it has a lot to do with your position. If you are in early position, then your pot raise isn't very intimidating, and are likely to get a lot of callers, which isn't good because if you are going to have any success with Aces in Omaha, you need to be heads up, or have only two opponents. If, however, you are on the button or paying a blind, then the pot will likely already be decent, and you can then jam the pot pretty good and hopefully get down to heads up.I find that if I'm in an early position, I like to just call, and hope the pot gets raised by somebody else, because then by the time the action gets back to me, the pot is fairly substantial, and I can really crank it up and ensure only one are two are likely to call.Post flop? Tune into chapter 2-37 for that...

[LJ Fosberg]

The best hand in Omaha hi is AAJT double suited and the best hand in Omaha hi/lo is AA23 double suited! preflop of course!

[Smasharoo]

Naked aces are crazily overrated by new players.People betting the pot pre-flop with AA79 unsuited in PLO8 crack me up.

[jayboogie]

it depends if your playing limit or pot-limit. If it's pot-limit, the Aces are fairly strong, if it's limit, they won't hold up 95% of the time, now if they're double suited and connected, cap that pot pre-flop if possible. The best hands in Omaha are obviously double suited connectors, so I think you will want to play those very aggressively in either limit or pot-limit, because you will hit more often than not. I think Limit Omaha is probably the easiest game to play, it's also fun being able to play so many hands and rivering people for once I was playing it today as well as Stud and it gave me a nice break from Hold'em and I made a nice little profit as well, so all was good.

[Spidurman]

Smasharoo said:

Naked aces are crazily overrated by new players.People betting the pot pre-flop with AA79 unsuited in PLO8 crack me up.

I love those guys too :)Only time in PL O/8 that I like having aces is when I get a short all in with kings - its really a holdem game at that point.