messed this one up. where did it go wrong?

[Verdimme 0]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with [7h], [Qd]. 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (3 SB) [3s], [7c], [9c] (3 players)Hero bets, BB folds, MP2 calls.Turn: (2.50 BB) [Kc] (2 players)Hero bets, MP2 calls.River: (4.50 BB) [2s] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 7.50 BBNo reads.

[econ_tim 0]

Where did it go wrong?

preflop

[Verdimme 0]

Plz elaborate Which hands are you completing and which hands are you folding? Comments on later streets also appreciated.

[econ_tim 0]

Which hands are you completing and which hands are you folding? Comments on later streets also appreciated.

This hand is on the borderline. I would complete with Q9o and Q7s, but I don't usually complete with Q7.If limper is aggro, then you might want to c/r the flop.On the end you might check/call unless villain has shown a tendency to call down with A-high.

[Rokuban 0]

I think it goes wrong when you complete an awful hand preflop. Preflop, you complete any hand playable on the button + any 2 suited + 2 connected cards if there are a lot of limpers (and this last one is debatable). You can cold call raises with a pocket pair if at least 3 players will see the flop. You don't lose money on crap like Q7o. Unplayable in early position unless you flop QQ7 or 777 or something like that.Then it went wronger when you lead the flop, instead of letting it be checked around, or check raising to see where you're at and eventually folding everyone but the flush draw.Then it became awful when you bet the second over card and flush card on the turn in a ridiculously small pot, without having a single hint on what your opponent could have.The river does not need to be commented as it should never have happened. Open folding it was an option.

[Garn 0]

i would have just c/c the river. Any hand he calls with probably has you beat anyway but if he is the one betting your 7 could be good.

[Mattnxtc 0]

i would have just c/c the river.  Any hand he calls with probably has you beat anyway but if he is the one betting your 7 could be good.

that was my thinking too...he called the turn when he could have hit an over or got there with his flush. So its seeming more likely we are behind...c/c is a much better line to take imo

[screech 0]

I play it the same against an unknown..If we get raised on the river, we can fold and sleep well at night.I can think of lots of hands that we beat that will call a river bet but won't bet if we check. I also don't see many opponents bluffing at this river.

[Verdimme 0]

@Rokuban:Thnx for the feedback. However i think completing is not that big of an error. We can assign a random hand to the BB, and since MP2 didnt raise we can assume that most of the time our equity is better then the 5:1 im getting to complete. Thats a good bet imo. Its true that this reasoning doesnt work when there are more then 3 players in the hand, but i think it does in this situation.The flop, i would hate it if it get checked through. If i c/r i still dont know where i stand. MP2 could be stealing, which is quite normal. If he has the goods he will probably call and c/r me on the turn, which he didnt.As on the river, i agree with the reasoning Screech follows.P.S. They way you are giving feedback is a little bit sarcastic..im not offended, but other people could be..just a little hint :wink:

[Rokuban 0]

@Rokuban:Thnx for the feedback. However i think completing is not that big of an error. We can assign a random hand to the BB, and since MP2 didnt raise we can assume that most of the time our equity is better then the 5:1 im getting to complete. Thats a good bet imo. Its true that this reasoning doesnt work when there are more then 3 players in the hand, but i think it does in this situation.

The problem is the latter rounds. With a hand like Q7, you can never be sure of where you stand...

The flop, i would hate it if it get checked through. If i c/r i still dont know where i stand. MP2 could be stealing, which is quite normal. If he has the goods he will probably call and c/r me on the turn, which he didnt.

...Which you seem to agree with.

P.S. They way you are giving feedback is a little bit sarcastic..im not offended, but other people could be..just a little hint :wink:

You should see my posts on law usenet groups. I do agree that it was uncalled for, though and do apologize. But, eh... I'm a censored.