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[Blakesta]

Hello folks. This is my first post here at this forum so let me see if I can give it a wack. I got a question on strategy.Blinds are 100-200 in a live NL-tournament. I've got about 3200. Pocket tens in the small blind. One limper, one raiser who bumped to 400. Got to me I raised to 1400. Flop comes 10,6,3 's. I flop a set. But 3 diamonds. I was in a jam. Only one other guy in the pot, and he's got me covered but not by much. So I go all in. He calls. I show my 10's he shows AJ off with the A . He caught his one diamond for nut flush I end with 3 10's and bust out of the tournament. Anybody woulda played this differently and if so how? Thanks.

[Metro]

Similar thing happened to me a few nights ago, I had KK in the hole and 3 spades came down on the flop. I didn't push in and ended up losing to the A of spades on the river. I probably misplayed the hand, whereas I like your move here. You made the right one I think, just remember you'll win 2/3 of these pots

[wrto4556]

This question comes up a bunch.Bet big on the flop...if the turn is not a diamond, move all in. His odds to hit the flush by the river is 2-1 on the flop. On the turn, it's 4-1. Make him pay when it counts. Play agianst his hand, not with it...know what I mean? Don't let him get his money in when he has good odds, get it in when he doesn't.

[wrto4556]

Welcome to the forum :-)

[Blakesta]

wrto4556 said:

This question comes up a bunch.Bet big on the flop...if the turn is not a diamond, move all in. His odds to hit the flush by the river is 2-1 on the flop. On the turn, it's 4-1. Make him pay when it counts. Play agianst his hand, not with it...know what I mean? Don't let him get his money in when he has good odds, get it in when he doesn't.

I bolded a sentence that I thought was a really good quote as it applies to this situation. Good feedback I do know what you mean. At the risk of having someone suck out on you that wouldv'e folded an all in. But if the turn is not a diamond, then I bet he doesn't call. And if it is, then I can get out without losing my stack. Nice thought process. And thanks for the welcome.

[Naismith]

It also helps (as it always does) if you know your opponent. If you think he'll go over the top of you with a big ace on a flop like that, you might as well go all in first. The beginning of your post is something I've been working on for a while. When someone makes a big raise early, I always instinctively go over the top with my eights, nines, tens and jacks, assuming I'm putting them on a big ace. What I do now is just call the bet (if it's high enough to get everyone else out) and let the flop get out there. A lot of the times, where I play, a re-raise compels the original raiser to go all in with their AQ and those two extra cards they get usually end up being my downfall!Peace,Jay

[jogsxyz]

Naismith said:

It also helps (as it always does) if you know your opponent.

Online poker, how can we possibly know our opponents?

[Naismith]

jogsxyz said:

Naismith said:

It also helps (as it always does) if you know your opponent.

Online poker, how can we possibly know our opponents?

LOL. I didn't mean personally. :)If you've been playing with a guy for a couple hours online, you should have a pretty decent idea of the plays he will make. There are a lot of players who will bet/raise with AK after a rag flop. There are a lot that will fold to a bet with AK after a rag flop. In the specific situation at the beginning of this thread, he flopped a set with three diamonds. If he knew his opponent was the type that plays a big ace aggressively after the flop, even in the face of a bet, he might be forced all in even if he only bets 25% of his stack. Peace,Jay

[Jordan]

jogsxyz said:

Naismith said:

It also helps (as it always does) if you know your opponent.

Online poker, how can we possibly know our opponents?

Hand Histories.I always check hand histories to see what kind of cards my opponents are limping with, raising with, and from what kind of positions. The ability to take notes on players hand by hand in the online game is a huge advantage you should take advantage of. I primarily play NL Cash games and any extra info really helps in all kinds of situations.- Jordan

[Blakesta]

It was a live tourney not online just fyi.

[jogsxyz]

Blakesta said:

It was a live tourney not online just fyi.

Look at the hand from the AJo's point of view. He doesn't know you have a set. He might think he has 15 outs. Then the call is clearly correct.Any way you look at it. That flop was dangerous for both you and him.

[wrto4556]

xniNja said:

Depending on the situation and my take on the player, I more likely would have raised all-in preflop than to ~1000. Raising to ~1000 is like a red flag waving that you have a good chance of losing the hand. If you raise all-in preflop, he still has to take the chance on the pocket pair, but also has to consider if his ace is beat.

I'de rather reley on my post flop play than the cards...and of coarse my spelling.

[Blakesta]

xniNja said:

Depending on the situation and my take on the player, I more likely would have raised all-in preflop than to ~1000. Raising to ~1000 is like a red flag waving that you have a good chance of losing the hand. If you raise all-in preflop, he still has to take the chance on the pocket pair, but also has to consider if his ace is beat.

I'm not sure I'm willing to risk all of my chips preflop with a pair of 10's. Is it worth a coin flip when I have no money in the pot at that point, to get beat by 2 overcards? I don't think it is. Unless I'm short stacked, or trouble stacked, I'm looking to see a flop and then decide if my 10's are good. If its a flop of 3 undercards, then I might move all in. If I flop a set I might move all in. Otherwise I'll be really catious. In this case, I was right in that I had the best hand. How many outs did I have for the board to pair? I had the lead and almost as many outs as he did to make him drawing dead. I think the pre-flop play of this hand was correct. Anybody else have a problem with not going all in with a pair of 10's???

[JimmyWellington]

The push was too much, on that flop. You obviously fear a flush. Pushing will tell you for sure if he has it or not. The problem is, you'd find out after he turns over his cards and all your chips are in the middle. I would have called preflop rather than raising. Then if I flopped my set and someone wanted to get froggy, then we'd go from there. A higher pair, I would have raised, Q-A. Once you raised to 1200, then you've limited your post flop play.