jacks in a big pot

[iggymcfly 0]

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is UTG with [Js], [Jd]. Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.Flop: (21.50 SB) [9d], [Td], [Ac] (7 players)BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, CO folds, Button calls, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.Turn: (12.75 BB) [3d] (4 players)Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Button folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds.River: (14.75 BB) [2s] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 16.75 BBThoughts on how I played this?

[Actuary 3]

I hate the preflop limp.What was your thinking?You can fold the turn.I play 1/2.

[screech 0]

I think you played this very strangely.First, why the LRR? It seem like you're just bloating the pot with a hand that's very difficult to play OOP. I would rather just raise first in.Second, you've represented AA pf, an ace hits the flop, then you decide that you're not going to represent AA any more? I can see how you may fear that someone has an ace out, but I think if you bet you may fold a lot of hands that are drawing quite live against you, and maybe even the initial pf raisers QQ.Turn and river look fine.

[Actuary 3]

Turn and river look fine.

you like getting 7:1 against this MP3 pfr who bet an ace on flop into 6 others after we LRR'd?Maybe I'm weak tight.Or just mixed up today.

[iggymcfly 0]

I'm never getting 7:1. On the flop, I'm getting 24:1 which is good enough odds to chase my two-outer.On the turn, I'm getting 14:1 which is good enough to chase my possibly live flush draw and possibly live two jacks.On the river, I'm getting 16:1, and while I'm almost certainly screwed, it seems like just barely enough for a crying call.BTW, my opponent here had nothing as exciting as QQ. He actually had A-K, although neither card was a diamond, so at least my flush draw was live.As for the limp-raise on the flop, I'm semi-pathological about raising UTG. It seems like all it does is thin the field way down so that all the hands you'd have dominated fold, and what looks like a really good hand either steals the blinds or ends up in a coin-flip. Then, when I saw that 18 million people were staying in the pot, I three-bet in a desperate attempt to get a few people to fold and give my jacks (which I believed to be the best PP preflop) a chance to hold up. When the flop actually came around, I figured that 1 out of the 6 people that called three bets preflop had to have an ace, and I'd be better off folding to a raise or calling one bet and trying to get odds to hit my jack.

[Actuary 3]

7:1 refers to the effective odds of calling the turn and riverI missed the Flush Draw.So I play the Flop, Turn, and River the same.I still hate the preflop limp.

[grgimpy 0]

pocket jacks are not an awesome hand, and they are best when you can play against only a couple players at most. this is exactly why you should raise under the gun and get the bad hands out. plus, if you play against hands like AK and AQ, you are likely to make more money when they hit their top pair and you hit your trips. if you're going to limp preflop you might as well give up the hand after the flop b/c you could be drawing to only two outs.

[Actuary 3]

 if you're going to limp preflop you might as well give up the hand after the flop b/c you could be drawing to only two outs.

we have awesome odds to take one off on the flop.Folding the flop would be horrible.

[screech 0]

pocket jacks are not an awesome hand, and they are best when you can play against only a couple players at most.  this is exactly why you should raise under the gun and get the bad hands out.  plus, if you play against hands like AK and AQ, you are likely to make more money when they hit their top pair and you hit your trips.  if you're going to limp preflop you might as well give up the hand after the flop b/c you could be drawing to only two outs.

Pocket jacks are an awesome hand. Not as awesome as queens, but better than AK.They play well agiant all fields because you have so many ways to win.You don't raise under the gun to get the bad hands out. You raise for value. But it is true JJ would rather a few players to minimize the danger of overcards or a lot to increase it's set value.Giving this hand up on the flop is silly. It's like folding a flush draw getting 5:1.

[grgimpy 0]

we have awesome odds to take one off on the flop.Folding the flop would be horrible.

i was referring to a totally different situation in which not raising pre-flop led to a much smaller pot. i know i didn't make this clear at all. obviously pot odds dictate you go for this one.

[Actuary 3]

i was referring to a totally different situation in which not raising pre-flop led to a much smaller pot.  i know i didn't make this clear at all.  obviously pot odds dictate you go for this one.

oh.cool.I see it better now that I re-read it. :-)