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[Abbaddabba]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP3 with [Qc], [Kh]. 5 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) [Jd], [Kc], [Ks] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (5.75 BB) [Tc] (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.River: (7.75 BB) [2c] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls .Final Pot: 9.75 BBHe's a general TAG. He's 3bet my late position raises quite a bit. I believe that he thinks the same of me.I lead, knowing that he's going to raise the flop with anything. My intent was to check/raise a blank turn, but the turn wasnt a blank.Both a 10 or a Q was probably going to have me check call, and then lead/call a river. I simply dont want to have smaller pairs that he's 3betting for isolation folding, and i want to make sure that they dont check behind on the river.... and both a 10 and a Q limit the number of hands that im leading.The only hands i really want to check raise here is QQ, AA, and i sometimes want to check/raise A/10 and A/J if he's prepared to call me down.

[amarillotg]

Abbaddabba said:

Both a 10 or a Q was probably going to have me check call, and then lead/call a river. I simply dont want to have smaller pairs that he's 3betting for isolation folding, and i want to make sure that they dont check behind on the river.... and both a 10 and a Q limit the number of hands that im leading.The only hands i really want to check raise here is QQ, AA, and i sometimes want to check/raise A/10 and A/J if he's prepared to call me down.

your not happy with a full boat?i like the stop n go here but you forgot the go part. im not all that scared of the 10 dropping. if he does happen to have AQ your behind but you have 9 outs to improve.

[Abbaddabba]

That's a concern.Another concern is how few worse hands call a checkraise.

[DCWildcat]

Abbaddabba said:

That's a concern.Another concern is how few worse hands call a checkraise.

Any K, Q, or 2 clubs, and maybe a J or two? That seems like a big enough range for me

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Haven't read replies.I would say 3-bet the flop, but you read him for TAG. In that case, I definitely think you should check/raise the turn.Semibluff OESD, and you have top trips. It'd be nice to know if he 3-bets the turn.

[Abbaddabba]

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Any K, Q, or 2 clubs, and maybe a J or two? That seems like a big enough range for me

Any K that has three bet me either has me outkicked, has filled up, or im playing for a chop against.The only reasonable hands that he 3bets preflop that include two clubs are AQs (made straight) and A/10s. The only Q's that 3bet me preflop are AQ (beating me), KQ (for a chop) and QQ (which is one of the 3 hands i'd want to check raise here). The only reasonable J hand that im beating is AJ. The only reasonable 10 hand im beating is A10. Those are hands i might want to checkraise if i think that they'll call the turn and river UI. Whether htey'll show those hands down is debatable. If i do bet the river though, they'll almost always call for 1 more bet with any pair.AA and QQ are the only ones in his hand range that i definitely want to checkraise. A10 and AJ are maybes. All the others im better off call/gaybetting.

[DCWildcat]

I totally missed the PF 3-bet. My bad. You'd think with it in the title and all...

[Wingmaster05]

At first i thought definite c/r for the turn, but your line is pretty good for a TAG. C/r'ing the turn will make him fold the majority of the possible holdings. I think you have to bet out the river if you fill up or hit your straight, but what about check raising the river UI? a TAG will be more inclined to just call the river check raise with AK i think...plus QQ and AA are calling for the pot size, not to mention, where check raising a brick river (we lead out if we hit to guarantee 1 bet on the river).