standard? 2/4 bb check-up

[mrdannyg 274]

my apologies for lack of conversion. my computer is garbaging me and i can't open more than one window.PokerStars Game #3129335702: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) - 2005/11/22 - 17:43:25 (ET)Table 'Danae III' Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: goodmanpoker ($126 in chips) Seat 2: thisismyback ($113 in chips) Seat 3: bdask ($78.50 in chips) Seat 4: VivaLaViking ($157.50 in chips) Seat 6: HU 1911 ($161.50 in chips) Seat 7: pocketm ($51 in chips) Seat 8: Baugy ($76 in chips) Seat 9: geohearn ($96 in chips) Seat 10: Tobsen ($100 in chips) goodmanpoker: posts small blind $1thisismyback: posts big blind $2ripstrom: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to goodmanpoker [2c 8c]bdask: calls $2VivaLaViking: folds HU 1911: calls $2pocketm: calls $2Baugy: calls $2geohearn: calls $2Tobsen: folds goodmanpoker: calls $1thisismyback: checks *** FLOP *** [3s 4h 8d]goodmanpoker: checks thisismyback: checks bdask: checks HU 1911: checks pocketm: checks Baugy: checks geohearn: bets $2goodmanpoker: raises $2 to $4thisismyback: folds bdask: folds ripstrom leaves the tableHU 1911: calls $4pocketm: folds Baugy: folds geohearn: calls $2*** TURN *** [3s 4h 8d] [Kc]goodmanpoker: bets $4HU 1911: calls $4geohearn: raises $4 to $8goodmanpoker: folds basically i was check/calling the flop, looking for an 8 or a 2, and if not, check/folding the turn. i figure a bet here does nothing and gets a dozen callers and their brothers.when a late position player bets, i CR to thin the field. turn I bet out, get raised, and wonder why i played 82 in the first place.standard?comments?thanks,daniel

[pokerplayer24 0]

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with [2c], [8c]. UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (7 SB) [3s], [4h], [8d] (7 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) [Kc] (3 players)Hero bets, mp1 calls, Co raises, hero folds

[pokerplayer24 0]

Tough when you have such a such a mediocre hand (post flop) and the pots 7 way. As is I probly play it the same.

[Sysvr4 0]

I think I'd check/fold this flop. Reverse implied odds are not your friend here. SSHE recommends completing in the SB with any two suited in case you flop a flush draw, not so you can lose money with marginal pair hands like this.Jeff

[Actuary 3]

why are we putting 2 SB's into a 8 SB pot against 6 others with 82?And basically not hope to improve, and so unlikely to end up with the best hand.

[pokerplayer24 0]

But can we really just fold the flop here to what is obviously just a late position steal attempt or at least seems like it is.

[Actuary 3]

yes, imo.We have no idea who else was waitng to c/r.There are just too many hands in the pot to think we win often enough.Our best chance is a bdsd.

[mk 11]

i'm posting blind here, but i think this is a pretty easy hand to get away from. you can't really protect it on the flop, and you are extremely likely to be drawn out on if you aren't already behind. your reverse implied odds are oppressively bad. i don't mind the fact that you tried to take it down on the flop, but once you have callers and a K falls on the turn, i think it's a check/fold.

[mrdannyg 274]

why are we putting 2 SB's into a 8 SB pot against 6 others with 82?And basically not hope to improve, and so unlikely to end up with the best hand.

why can we not hope to improve? i could very well have 5 outs here. i think betting out is clearly incorrect since we do not have any kind of equity advantage against 5 or 6 others. but given the late position bettor could be drawing very thin and i am only like to get one cold-caller or so, i think against those two i have pretty good equity. especially since i now have the lead and should be able to get away from hands.i will agree though that this is pretty marginal. i had planned on check/folding, and seriously considered folding even to the button bet. without relatively strong table reads, i'd have folded there. i felt given strong table reads, i'd be able to play the hand optimally from there on, and my equity was strong enough against 1-2 others to make this a solid play.the above was my reasoning, though i don't know if all that adds up to my play being correct - am very happy to hear more/further criticism as well though. daniel

[Actuary 3]

I think expecting/getting 4 folds on your c/r is quite ambitious.Also, why are you folding the turn ??What about those 5 outs you mention ?

[mrdannyg 274]

I think expecting/getting 4 folds on your c/r is quite ambitious.Also, why are you folding the turn ??What about those 5 outs you mention ?

Now that you mention it, getting 4 folds is quite ambitious, consider the player who did cold-call was almost a guaranteed caller, so essentially I got 3/3 folds.The 5 outs were not guaranteed of course, I only said we possibly had 5 outs. Obviously though, none are strong and some or all might be dirty.

[pokerplayer24 0]

i'm posting blind here, but i think this is a pretty easy hand to get away from. you can't really protect it on the flop, and you are extremely likely to be drawn out on if you aren't already behind. your reverse implied odds are oppressively bad. i don't mind the fact that you tried to take it down on the flop, but once you have callers and a K falls on the turn, i think it's a check/fold.

Good point here. If a better turn hits I think you should continue betting it but when the K hits check/folding might be the way to go.