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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with [Qs], [Ks]. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.Flop: (10 SB) [Tc], [Jh], [5d] (5 players)Hero bets, CO folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (9 BB) [Ad] (4 players)Hero ???Not sure if i should lead out again check and hope that mp3 bets again in which case either call/raise? mp3 is 61/0/3.25

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lead out for the love of God
Sheesh... it's not that cut and dry. I typically go for a check-raise here against an aggressive opponent. Free cards won't cost us the pot very often. We're worried about funky backdoor counterfeiting draws that can cost us half the pot, and the occassional backdoor flush draw, which is unlikely.He's going to bet any set, any ace, any two pair, and most pair-gutshot combos unless he thinks you hit your hand, and even then he seems aggressive enough to fire even with reason to believe you caught up.The ace means he's likely slowing down w/o a set or AJ/AT, so I think our best bet is to try a c/r on the turn, and ram and jam any non-board pairing river. I hate DrZebraIce
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If you check this turn, 1 of 2 bad things will happen:1) it will get checked through2) MP will bet, and we will face the field with 2 coldI'd much rather bet and have MP raise so we can 3-bet. We will win this pot well more than 70% of the time. Betting out will maximize the money we get in on the turn.I love Ice, he gives great advice, but I think you're wrong here.

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If you check this turn, 1 of 2 bad things will happen:1) it will get checked through2) MP will bet, and we will face the field with 2 coldI'd much rather bet and have MP raise so we can 3-bet.  We will win this pot well more than 70% of the time.  Betting out will maximize the money we get in on the turn.I love Ice, he gives great advice, but I think you're wrong here.
do we necessarily wanna 3 bet though? shouldnt we be worried that if we 3 bet that we may cause the limpers to fold for 2 when they may have called for 1 more bet?
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If you check this turn, 1 of 2 bad things will happen:1) it will get checked through2) MP will bet, and we will face the field with 2 coldI'd much rather bet and have MP raise so we can 3-bet.  We will win this pot well more than 70% of the time.  Betting out will maximize the money we get in on the turn.I love Ice, he gives great advice, but I think you're wrong here.
do we necessarily wanna 3 bet though? shouldnt we be worried that if we 3 bet that we may cause the limpers to fold for 2 when they may have called for 1 more bet?
They will be much more inclined to fold for 2 if you c/r than if you bet-3-bet. On this draw heavy board, they may not fold anyway. Even if they do, no big deal. If it goes bet-call-call-raise-call-call-call, your opponents have put in 6BB. If it goes bet-call-call-raise-3bet-fold-fold-call, they have put in 5BB. If one of them calls the 3-bet, they put in 7BB...and so on, and so on.
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Sheesh... it's not that cut and dry.
im not too fond of DrZebra either but i think its pretty cut and dry, ice.If he has KJ or something he may check behind on the turn. That sucks. We've represented a whiffed ace so if he has any big hand (i.e. two pair or trips) we are getting 3-bets in. If he has a weak hand, we get a bet in or more sinse there are 2 players between us where he may check behind and cost us up to 3 bets.PS. of coarse we want to 3-bet. If those donks called a bet on the turn when we stop n go they are probably coming along for another 2 bets.
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Sheesh... it's not that cut and dry.
im not too fond of DrZebra either but i think its pretty cut and dry, ice.If he has KJ or something he may check behind on the turn. That sucks. We've represented a whiffed ace so if he has any big hand (i.e. two pair or trips) we are getting 3-bets in. If he has a weak hand, we get a bet in or more sinse there are 2 players between us where he may check behind and cost us up to 3 bets.PS. of coarse we want to 3-bet. If those donks called a bet on the turn when we stop n go they are probably coming along for another 2 bets.
Yeah, holy balls, I am so rustyWhat the hell, I thought we were heads up. Yeah, DrZ was right, this is a pretty easy lead-out. And 3-betting is a must, too. We can't give people with gutshots and backdoor draws the odds to catch up. A set might even cap for us.Zebra, I'm sorry I told you that you were wrong.You're still a sack, though. And I still don't like you.How are the vegas games going, Mr WRTO?Ice
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How are the vegas games going, Mr WRTO?
really good. Been calling the Bellagio my office lately. The games are amazing but I still play alot online. Just moved into a new house (3,300 sqft, poker table, ping pong table, 60" TV, and a basketball court in the backyard). Hopefully things stay good.
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How are the vegas games going, Mr WRTO?
really good. Been calling the Bellagio my office lately. The games are amazing but I still play alot online. Just moved into a new house (3,300 sqft, poker table, ping pong table, 60" TV, and a basketball court in the backyard). Hopefully things stay good.
Hey, way to go. Always nice when a compatriot finds success. Couldn't be happier for you, Chris. Congratulations on the success.That being said, you gonna be able to put me up next time my buddy and I make it into town?Cheers,Ice
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Congrats on all the success dude. Wasn't it just a couple of months ago that Jayson was talking about you and him playing the 30/60 someday? Look like that came early. Speak of which what is going on with JW anyway?
I took a lot of shots to get where im at. Im ashamed to say it but its the truth. I think im comfy where i am now though. Weber I just heard from and he's back home working for his dad. I told him to come visit. im sure he will, he said he missed me. :oops:
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That being said, you gonna be able to put me up next time my buddy and I make it into town?
only because you're cool. Got 3 other dudes living with me though. so it'd be a party...the bongs out back with the cooler.
Rock. If I remembered half the hands I played when I got into the casino I'd be better off than I was last trip. Ice
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That being said, you gonna be able to put me up next time my buddy and I make it into town?
only because you're cool. Got 3 other dudes living with me though. so it'd be a party...the bongs out back with the cooler.
Rock. If I remembered half the hands I played when I got into the casino I'd be better off than I was last trip. Ice
thats up to you. But if you're going to try and remember your hands could you remember mine for me?actually, we could just go play 100x craps and not have to remember a thing.
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