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[threeparrots]

HAND #1Playing a 9 person tournament at my home last evening. Got down to heads-up and I was significantly short-stacked. Hand goes like this...Blinds at 160-320I'm small blind and look down at 4 2:heart: I call the SB, then BB makes it another 320 to go. I call.Flop is Q 6 2 I check, he checks.Turn brings 2 I bet out 600, he raises to 1200. At this point thats over half of my stack to call the 1200, so I push the rest in and he calls.He shows A J .River brings the 4 and apparently I am the worst player on earth. I said, "shouldn't have let me seen the turn for free, I would have folded." He says it was a horrible call before the flop, but he was raising every pot that I didn't raise the whole time so I have to start making some calls. If I hadn't moved in on the turn I still would have had him beat. So what do you guys think?

[gobears]

threeparrots said:

HAND #1Playing a 9 person tournament at my home last evening. Got down to heads-up and I was significantly short-stacked. Hand goes like this...Blinds at 160-320I'm small blind and look down at 4 2:heart: I call the SB, then BB makes it another 320 to go. I call.Flop is Q 6 2 I check, he checks.Turn brings 2 I bet out 600, he raises to 1200. At this point thats over half of my stack to call the 1200, so I push the rest in and he calls.He shows A J .River brings the 4 and apparently I am the worst player on earth. I said, "shouldn't have let me seen the turn for free, I would have folded." He says it was a horrible call before the flop, but he was raising every pot that I didn't raise the whole time so I have to start making some calls. If I hadn't moved in on the turn I still would have had him beat. So what do you guys think?

It looks like you had something under 2400 chips before this hand started. Easy fold in the SB; you still had time and 4 2 o is about as bad as it gets.You got very lucky; hopefully the other guy's blood pressure is back to normal by now.

[wrto4556]

I aggree with the gobears. Bad call pre-flop. Make a stand with better garbage, T8o, K7...not 42. :-) The turn call, however...is tough. He could be betting A 7 on you. It was head-up. I don't think a call here would be so bad.

[akishore]

well, you didn't have "enough" of a stack to wait (only 8 big blinds?), but you were in the small blind, so you definitely had time enough to wait for a better hand than 24o. it doesn't hurt to fold and give the blinds to the next guy.as for the flop, the check by BB was just ridiculous. he easily hit a set or the flush. think about it... if you're facing a short stack, why the hell would you check and not put pressure on him?? the only reason is to trap, and this is the most common bad play by fish all the time in tournaments. i see it over and over and over, people with position check it to the river and finally make a small 1/4 pot bet to which i fold and they whine and show me the nuts. ridiculous.anyway, after the turn, it was a decent call, but going by my read, i would have probably still folded as that was a very suspicious flop check. the board pairing could have made him the boat, and i had only 10 outs to fill up (which would be the worst boat possible in any situation, unless i hit quads, which i have a 2% chance of doing).you DID outdraw him, but it wasn't completely a "bad beat" as you would outdraw him there more than 1/5 of the time.i dunno, questionable play from the start but oh well, we all make mistakes in a hand and get lucky. just read some of daniel's card player articles and blog entries--made a totally wrong read against someone who had a made straight, but gutshot rivered the higher nut straight. had an overpair to someone's set, but rivered a higher set. these things happen, no big deal.aseem

[Wilderness]

I agree with the previous posters in that you shouldn't have called that hand. Yes, he was pushing you around and raising a lot because he's the big stack, but there is garbage to try and take a stand with and then there is just garbage. You didn't need to play 42o.However, once you are in the hand, he's an idiot for letting you see the turn and once you do see the turn, given your stack size, there is no way that all your money is not going to end up in the middle. Yeah, you outdrew him, but its a combination of your luck and his bad play.

[Metro]

Regardless of whether or not he was raising every hand, you have to know this as you're in the sb and assume it's going to cost you at least 2xbb to see the flop here. 4-2o is not a hand to battle the bb with. The only hand you have beat preflop here is a 3-2o. You can get out of the blinds and pick better spots.

[threeparrots]

Forgot to check back here...I hadn't seen a face card in some time, and 4-2 was the closest thing I had seen to a connecter in some time too. Rather me play 6-2 or 7-2? That's pretty much all I had seen. And I'm sorry, I was the BB in this case so it was 1x the BB to call, not 1.5x. I would rather have played the 4-2 than K-7 or any garbage like that. With 4-2, there are more cards to help me "fill up" if I don't pair up.