cold calling with 87s

[screech 0]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is Button with 8:club:, 7:club:. 1 fold.Flop: (7.40 SB) 7:spade:, 4:spade:, 5:diamond: (3 players)UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.Turn: (7.20 BB) 4:diamond: (2 players)UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.River: (9.20 BB) A:heart: (2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.Final Pot: 9.20 BBWhat do you think about pf?Gotta fold to a river bet, right?

[econ_tim 0]

Gotta fold to a river bet, right?

If you fold to a river bet, why call the turn?

[screech 0]

Gotta fold to a river bet, right?

If you fold to a river bet, why call the turn?

Because on the turn I may be ahead of hands like Asxs. Once the river comes an ace, the number of hands that I beat are drastically reduced.But yeah, I see your point about the turn. Given how the flopped was played, I am likely up against an overpair, in which case I'm drawing pretty slim.

[DCWildcat 0]

We're getting 8.2 to 1 on a turn call. I think 5 outs is about right, 2 for the 7's and 3 for the gutshot, since one of those makes a flush. 5 outs for the river is exactly 8.2 to 1. Considering you're getting proper pot odds, that the last gutshot out will sometimes be good, that you'll occasionally be good against someone taking this line with overs & a flush draw, this would be a bad turn fold. I like the way you played it.

[KDawgCometh 2]

screech, is this player likely to fold for a bet on the river scare card. YOu might have some bluff equity here

[econ_tim 0]

We're getting 8.2 to 1 on a turn call.

i never said we shouldn't call the turn, but i think if we call the turn we have to call the riverthat means we're getting something like 9.2 to 2.if you like a turn call and river check/fold, do you just check/fold when an ace comes, or maybe when a diamond comes too?

[Guest Anonymous]

i would be more aggressive on the turn. why 3bet the flop but just call the turn. i think you should stay aggresive

[DCWildcat 0]

He didn't 3-bet the flop. He got 3-bet by a PF raiser who then bet the turn. He hasn't slowed down. Raising the turn would be terrible.I'm not sure about the river. If he can be convinced to fold 88-QQ here, even if only infrequently, it could be a profitable bet. But most players aren't folding with that much in the pot on the river, so I'm not sure. Too player dependent.I don't have a problem calling and folding UI. Villain has yet to slow down.

[screech 0]

screech, is this player likely to fold for a bet on the river scare card. YOu might have some bluff equity here

I'd have to have a pretty good read to make that play. I think with most players, that river check means they don't want to have to deal with a raise, and they intend on seeing a showdown.Unfortunately, it was my first orbit at the table so I never had a read on villian at all.

[screech 0]

We're getting 8.2 to 1 on a turn call.

i never said we shouldn't call the turn, but i think if we call the turn we have to call the riverthat means we're getting something like 9.2 to 2.if you like a turn call and river check/fold, do you just check/fold when an ace comes, or maybe when a diamond comes too?

I think I'm calling any non ace river. Maybe I should fold to something like Ks?

[AlanBostick 0]

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8:club:, 7:club:. 1 fold.What do you think about pf?

I think anyone in their right mind folds in that spot.The biggest common leak in the game of experienced players is cold-calling preflop raises. Sometimes it's okay to do it if you're in late position, many callers are ahead of you, and you have a great drawing hand; but in general, if your hand isn't worth a reraise you should fold it.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Depending on the raiser, if there's a cold caller (preferably 2) behind me, ill usually draw the line at roughly 9/10s - 10/Js (given that it's a low stakes game and you expect at least one of the blinds coming along, plus another caller usually). Im not sure that 7/8s is the greatest call unless the table is extremely loose generally and you can expect more than one call behind you, either from the blinds or late position. Or unless you give no credit to the players involved, and they play miserably post flop.I _may_ be too tight...But i think that the fact that this is 5/10 and not 1/2 should make you play even tighter, given that you'll have to give more credit (on average) to the other cold callers and the UTG raiser.

[DCWildcat 0]

The PF call doesn't matter too much anyway. We'll often get one or both the blinds involved here and we have the button. Besides, not calling 2 cold with suited connectors would totally change screech's gameplan. He wouldn't know how to function 8)

[MrNiceGuy 0]

screech, is this player likely to fold for a bet on the river scare card. YOu might have some bluff equity here

I'd have to have a pretty good read to make that play. I think with most players, that river check means they don't want to have to deal with a raise, and they intend on seeing a showdown.Unfortunately, it was my first orbit at the table so I never had a read on villian at all.

I agree; there's no way a worse hand calls, and I doubt very much that you get a higher pair to fold.I think the cold-call preflop is definitely bad (not YSAPKY bad, but worse than marginally bad).

[wrto4556 0]

i agree that the PF call is bad. No biggie though. I think the turn call is way worse. If he has a big pair we are drawing to 2 outs because the board is now paired. I want to fold to the flop 3-bet but the pot is just too big.

[screech 0]

i agree that the PF call is bad. No biggie though.  I think the turn call is way worse. If he has a big pair we are drawing to 2 outs because the board is now paired. I want to fold to the flop 3-bet but the pot is just too big.

:lol:I was also wondering why I called the turn when I was reading the HH. I completely missed the gutshot.

[wrto4556 0]

i agree that the PF call is bad. No biggie though.  I think the turn call is way worse. If he has a big pair we are drawing to 2 outs because the board is now paired. I want to fold to the flop 3-bet but the pot is just too big.

:lol:I was also wondering why I called the turn when I was reading the HH. I completely missed the gutshot.

oh wow. turn call looks standard.

[wrto4556 0]

i agree that the PF call is bad. No biggie though.  I think the turn call is way worse. If he has a big pair we are drawing to 2 outs because the board is now paired. I want to fold to the flop 3-bet but the pot is just too big.

:lol:I was also wondering why I called the turn when I was reading the HH. I completely missed the gutshot.

oh wow. turn call looks standard.