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[Actuary]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Actuary is BB with 7:heart:, 6:diamond:. 2 folds, SB completes, Actuary checks.Flop: (4 SB) T:heart:, 6:heart:, 5:club: (4 players)SB checks, Actuary bets, Actuary calls.Turn: (4 BB) 2:heart: (2 players)SB bets,villan is 20/7/3 100 hands .. he don't like to call muchI'm folding the river UI.But calling a turn 3 bet.I'm playing a little unorthodox for me, at .5/1..now slumming with an FCP buddy.I don't expect this was grand, but not sure how bad, or ok.

[Verdimme]

Hmmm i don't like it. Why are you betting out on that flop? I would go for the c/r, representing the ten.The turn raise is not good imo either. He wont let go his ten if he has one, and he will three-bet with a flush. You only have middle pair, weak kicker. So if you are raising, you are raising for value, but i dont think you have the best hand there most of the time to make this raise.

[TheCinciKid]

I tend to check/fold this flop 90% of the time. If it gets check around, I might take a stab on the turn. Given that you lead the flop, I kinda tend to like the rest of it. For metagame purposes I virtually never fold to a single raise on the flop. I think the turn raise was a pretty good semi-bluffing opportunity, though I'm not sure what you're doing if he 3-bets?Overall, I think it's ok especially given your read on the villain, but I think if you start doing things like this too much it could cost you in the long run.

[BeanGW]

TheCinciKid said:

I tend to check/fold this flop 90% of the time.  If it gets check around, I might take a stab on the turn.  

[DCWildcat]

I think you can find a better spot to take aggro boy's money than this. Pot isn't worth fighting over with a submarginal hand.

[Actuary]

my thoughts:I may not have enough outs to even call the turn. It depends on whether he has one of the 6 higher . About 25% of the time he does. So I have 5 + (.75 * 9) ~ 11 outs to beat Top Pair. He had A J As it turned out, I just charged him more to draw.The showdown was free.Even if I call this turn, I'm folding the river, it was a blank.Thus he likley "takes" the pot from me with a bet on the river had I not semi-bluffed the turn. imo.But, had it been a heart, I lose one more bet.

[screech]

I like.r

[psujohn]

It's pretty read dependant obviously. With a guy that agg it's probably not bad. I'll do stuff like this at 6-max a lot because the average opponent is either crazy agg or super passive. Just have to know which he is when you react

[mrdannyg]

TheCinciKid said:

I tend to check/fold this flop 90% of the time. If it gets check around, I might take a stab on the turn. Given that you lead the flop, I kinda tend to like the rest of it. For metagame purposes I virtually never fold to a single raise on the flop. I think the turn raise was a pretty good semi-bluffing opportunity, though I'm not sure what you're doing if he 3-bets?Overall, I think it's ok especially given your read on the villain, but I think if you start doing things like this too much it could cost you in the long run.

don't post results so fast!seriously though, i like making bets like this against opponents like yours who don't like to call. in a situation like that you are representing the flush, and may get him to fold a goodly amount of hands.you are likely drawing live to any hand that does not 3-bet you, which i think signifincantly improves this move.since this hand is so easy to fold to a 3-bet and similarly easy to check behind on the turn UI, the only difficult decision is whether or not to bet a heart, or to call if he a heart hits and he bets.so not a bad move.as for cinci - can you explain that? never really heard that phrase before. i've always thought of poker as making every individual decision correctly, and as much as possible having no 'metagame.' then again, i am likely using a different/incorrect understanding of "meta' at the same time.just curious what you mean by this phrase.cheers,daniel

[TheCinciKid]

mrdannyg said:

as for cinci - can you explain that?  never really heard that phrase before.  i've always thought of poker as making every individual decision correctly, and as much as possible having no 'metagame.'  then again, i am likely using a different/incorrect understanding of "meta' at the same time.just curious what you mean by this phrase.cheers,daniel

I think if I understand it correctly, metagame essentially means the overall game of poker that you play throughout your time at the table. As opposed to your decision being exclusive to the particular hand. In this instance my point is simply that I don't like bet/fold on the flop (or really on any other street for that matter) because, as is pointed out in SSHE, if you do it enough even your more passive opponents will start taking shots at you. So, if I've bet the flop, I'm folding virtually no hand to a single raise, because I don't want my opponents to start thinking they can bluff me off of hands. Granted, online players usually aren't even this observant, but I think it still makes sense to avoid leaving yourself open to that.

[pokerplayer24]

I bet this flop every time. I kind of like the turn raise if you plan to check behind on the river or if your other line would just be call/call