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[aim786]

Blinds 100/200, 6 people remaining, and top 3 get paid.My bro had about 1k in chips (5th outta the 6 ppl) on the big blind, and got dealt 10-7 off. He was up against the 2 other bigstacks (w/ 8000 and 4000 chips, both in late position). The flop was 10-8-3 rainbow, it was checked to the button who bet out 600. Now my brother and I are arguing over what the correct play was here, he thinks folding and waiting for another chance to double up was the better play, whereas I thought he should just push all in and hope for the best. What do you guys think was the right play and why?

[copernicus]

Definite push. With two big stack late position limpers I probably would have pushed on the blind pre-flop.

[zimmer4141]

I would check out of the BB and try to hit a flop. It seems like he's shortstacked, but we don't know blinds, that would help. I definitely push that flop as I am likely ahead.

[copernicus]

Zimmer4141 said:

I would check out of the BB and try to hit a flop.  It seems like he's shortstacked, but we don't know blinds, that would help.  I definitely push that flop as I am likely ahead.

Blinds were posted..top line....100/200, an M of 3.33. I assume that changes your answer.

[zimmer4141]

copernicus said:

Zimmer4141 said:

I would check out of the BB and try to hit a flop.  It seems like he's shortstacked, but we don't know blinds, that would help.  I definitely push that flop as I am likely ahead.

Blinds were posted..top line....100/200, an M of 3.33. I assume that changes your answer.

Not at all. I still check pf and push if I hit the flop well.

[copernicus]

Zimmer4141 said:

copernicus said:

Zimmer4141 said:

I would check out of the BB and try to hit a flop.  It seems like he's shortstacked, but we don't know blinds, that would help.  I definitely push that flop as I am likely ahead.

Blinds were posted..top line....100/200, an M of 3.33. I assume that changes your answer.

Not at all. I still check pf and push if I hit the flop well.

We disagree for a change! I should have said in the last post that hes got an adjusted M of 2. If all the big stacks can muster is limps, its too good a chance to triple up with an average hand, or pick up the blinds/limps. I agree its tempting to limp here with two in, but after the next sb is paid, you are going to get called on every hand, your stack is too small too drive anyone out.

[pokerplayer24]

We have 107 an awful hand and are unlikely to fold both of the huge stacks that limped preflop so pushing is a pretty awful play. See a flop and push if you hit a decent piece.

[shpaget]

aim786 said:

Blinds 100/200, 6 people remaining, and top 3 get paid.My bro had about 1k in chips (5th outta the 6 ppl) on the big blind, and got dealt 10-7 off. He was up against the 2 other bigstacks (w/ 8000 and 4000 chips, both in late position). The flop was 10-8-3 rainbow, it was checked to the button who bet out 600. Now my brother and I are arguing over what the correct play was here, he thinks folding and waiting for another chance to double up was the better play, whereas I thought he should just push all in and hope for the best. What do you guys think was the right play and why?

Well, he shouldn't have checked the flop - I think people are missing this step here.I'm assuming preflop everyone limped, and the hero checked the BB.Now the flop comes...BB should have pushed right here, not checked...if someone's got TJ, oh well.Regardless, in this situation where the BB has checked and it's gone to the button, and he has bet, I push....if you're not gonna play top pair as the shortstack, what do you want - you gonna wait until you flop the nut flush before you play?

[LPY2005]

copernicus said:

Definite push. With two big stack late position limpers I probably would have pushed on the blind pre-flop.

I second. His M is too low. He needs to push here with almost any two cards. 10-7 is not great, but a call is suicide since it brings his M down to about 2.5. He's just barely has enough chips now to even have a hope of winning this preflop, and if they call his push he can still get lucky. He called, caught a peice of the flop, and still got pushed off the hand. That's another arguement for not just calling preflop. Your bro is waiting too long for the ideal hand and is getting into a bad situation where he needs to push with a crap hand like 10-7 off. If I did call to see a flop, which I don't, I definitely don't fold when I hit top pair. Time is running out.

[copernicus]

pokerplayer24 said:

We have 107 an awful hand and are unlikely to fold both of the huge stacks that limped preflop so pushing is a pretty awful play. See a flop and push if you hit a decent piece.

You cant turn away better than 2/1 odds plus some small folding equity on almost any hand with this stack.