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[joeltebbutt]

Seat 1: joeltebbutt (2,820)Seat 3: DSmith1977 (745)Seat 4: tiara42 (3,510)Seat 5: TallahasseeDan (1,290)Seat 6: REVENGE I SEEK (5,135)REVENGE I SEEK posts the small blind of 25joeltebbutt posts the big blind of 50The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to joeltebbutt [Qh Qd]DSmith1977 calls 50tiara42 calls 50TallahasseeDan foldsREVENGE I SEEK raises to 150joeltebbutt raises to 400DSmith1977 foldstiara42 foldsREVENGE I SEEK raises to 1,150Joeltebbutt ...

[Swift_Psycho]

Reads? Payout structure?

[joeltebbutt]

Standard STT structure 50/30/20The only hands I had seen him play were all-in preflop with AK both times. We had only played 40 hands though

[loogie]

I would be worried since he only raised 3x BB originally with 2 limpers already in. I put on my weak/tight hat and fold.

[copernicus]

Unless he is putting you on a steal because of your perceived weakness of his raise, there arent many hands he can have that you arent behind or just a coin flip ahead. A tough one, but pass the weak-tight hat on over.

[Swift_Psycho]

joeltebbutt said:

Standard STT structure 50/30/20The only hands I had seen him play were all-in preflop with AK both times. We had only played 40 hands though

I think you're going to have to fold here, especially if you think you can outplay the table. You can find better spots to play a huge pot, preferably against one of the smaller stacks.

[zimmer4141]

This is a very tough decision here. It depends on the guy who reraised, I think against a random guy, I would push pf. There are a lot of things that your average donk would reraise here with, including AA-10s, AK, and even possibly AQ. If he has been TAG, then fold and wait for a better spot.

[copernicus]

Zimmer4141 said:

This is a very tough decision here. It depends on the guy who reraised, I think against a random guy, I would push pf. There are a lot of things that your average donk would reraise here with, including AA-10s, AK, and even possibly AQ. If he has been TAG, then fold and wait for a better spot.

Even if he's against your average donk range of hands he' still 45% to be eliminated. The net gain from folding to pushing is about 650 chips or 28% of his stack after the 400 committed to the pot. Thats pretty good but not huge value for the risk of being eliminated. Some would fold it.

[joeltebbutt]

I folded and he showed JJ

[copernicus]

joeltebbutt said:

I folded and he showed JJ

Hope you made notes and punished him later in the tourney for itr.

[copernicus]

wwdd said:

I've been reading alot of these threads recently and I have disagreed with most of them.  Maybe I'm missing something, but in a STT with only 6 ppl left, on any average loose site (Party for instance), there's no way I even consider folding. I've played STT's on party for along time, and these guys are absolutely retarded.  It's true he could have AK, AA, KK, but he could also easily have any pocket pair at all (NOT EVEN JOKING, I'VE SEEN THIS), or anything from AT-AQ.    But I seriously want to know if this is a leak in my game, and if maybe I've just been lucky to play against some maniacal ppl.  How do you guys feel about this, do you play against these ppl as well, or is it just me?wwdd

I think most of the answers you get here are based on the assumption that the other players are good players. If all you play are maniacs that are impossible to read there isnt much point to posting a hand, unless its strictly a mathematical situation.

[copernicus]

wwdd said:

I do'nt know about that, I feel that it is entirely more profitable to spend time and develop a solid strategy to defeating bad maniacal players than to defeat solid players.  Atleast right now with the poker boom where it is.Obviously I enjoy reading your guys advice, because I think I have enough room in my brain for more than one solid strategy(here's hoping).  But it has just confused me recently reading so many threads that all instantly assume that players are now half-decent.  When did people stop assuming that ppl suck as much as they really do.wwdd

I do play against good players, and I think most people here do.

[LPY2005]

wwdd said:

I do'nt know about that, I feel that it is entirely more profitable to spend time and develop a solid strategy to defeating bad maniacal players than to defeat solid players. Atleast right now with the poker boom where it is.Obviously I enjoy reading your guys advice, because I think I have enough room in my brain for more than one solid strategy(here's hoping). But it has just confused me recently reading so many threads that all instantly assume that players are now half-decent. When did people stop assuming that ppl suck as much as they really do.wwdd

All online sites have their donks and solid players. A lot depends on the limits you are playing. You may get answers more suited to the limits you play if you post that information.Against solid players I agree with the fold. At the lower limits it's still a tough decision. The villian has shown big slick twice which you are only a coin flip against. He could have AA or KK just as easily as JJ even if he is a maniac. Blinds are only 25/50 so you still have lots of time. Unless you know that he will push with something totally outragous I think you were correct in folding. If he had shown KK would you even be questioning it? No, you'd probably thing that you made a brilliant laydown. It's still a tough call at a loose aggressive table, but don't change your play based on one bad result. Calling off all you chip with QQ is always a gamble, which is pretty much what you'd be doing calling for that much of your stack. Pushing with QQ is a different story.