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[Abbaddabba]

.25/.50 NLHE - 7 handed liveThis is live at school. All the players are unfortunately quite competent. The buy in was $50, and each of us had roughly that in front of us.Im in the BB with AQ. Generally speaking, this table is tight and aggressive. There is generally a late position raise, the blinds are taken, or there's a caller from the button or the blinds. Nobody is limping with stupid shit except one guy in the SB. This hand played suprisingly loose. 2 folds, and there are 3 limps. The SB completes. I check.Flop is Q/5/3 rainbow (pot: 2.50)SB checks, i lead for $2, fold, fold, raise of $6, sb folds....I...? Range of hands for the villain preflop include pocket pair, suited connectors and suited (or possibly offsuit) broadway. Based on that, i expected him to have a hand like 10Q, JQ, KQ and (quite a bit less likely since it probably raises PF), AQ. Sets generally call safe flops and raise the turn, but not necessarily. Two pairs seem extremely unlikely, as do OESD's given his preflop range. I was torn between folding and raising. I raised. $10 on top, with the intent to fold to another raise. Im unsure what i would have done if i was called. That's what would have made it difficult, i think.I have limited experience with no limit. I think the fact that i was out of position might have made it more of a fold, but i really dont know for sure.Background. Two hands prior, the guy saw me raise preflop for a larger amount than he thought was reasonable and likely thinks that i overplay hands, but not absurdly so. I'm not sure if i did, but that's another issue. The CO who raised most of the time when it was folded to him, raised to $2, and i reraised $6 on top with 7's. Whether that's reasonable is a whole other story.

[Jordan]

Abbaddabba said:

.25/.50 NLHE - 7 handed liveThis is live at school. All the players are unfortunately quite competent. The buy in was $50, and each of us had roughly that in front of us.Im in the BB with AQ. Generally speaking, this table is tight and aggressive. There is generally a late position raise, the blinds are taken, or there's a caller from the button or the blinds. Nobody is limping with stupid censored except one guy in the SB. This hand played suprisingly loose. 2 folds, and there are 3 limps. The SB completes. I check.Flop is Q/5/3 rainbow (pot: 2.50)SB checks, i lead for $2, fold, fold, raise of $6, sb folds....I...? Range of hands for the villain preflop include pocket pair, suited connectors and suited (or possibly offsuit) broadway. Based on that, i expected him to have a hand like 10Q, JQ, KQ and (quite a bit less likely since it probably raises PF), AQ. Sets generally call safe flops and raise the turn, but not necessarily. Two pairs seem extremely unlikely, as do OESD's given his preflop range. I was torn between folding and raising. I raised. $10 on top, with the intent to fold to another raise. Im unsure what i would have done if i was called. That's what would have made it difficult, i think.I have limited experience with no limit. I think the fact that i was out of position might have made it more of a fold, but i really dont know for sure.Background. Two hands prior, the guy saw me raise preflop for a larger amount than he thought was reasonable and likely thinks that i overplay hands, but not absurdly so. I'm not sure if i did, but that's another issue. The CO who raised most of the time when it was folded to him, raised to $2, and i reraised $6 on top with 7's. Whether that's reasonable is a whole other story.

With that safe flop, I may smooth call his raise, and depending on the turn...most likely c/r him.about the 77s...tell him to shut up when he tells you how to play. and then ask him if he is bill fillmath.- Jordan

[Abbaddabba]

He wasn't rude about the hand with the 7's.I think people were just suprised that i reraised (edit: the 7s). It's really not suprising when you consider how likely that the CO's raise is a blind steal. It's the amount that threw the guy off - but really, do i _want_ to get called here? He likely has an overcard if not two, and i definteily don't want to price him into calling.

[Jordan]

Abbaddabba said:

He wasn't rude about the hand with the 7's.I think people were just suprised that i reraised. It's really not suprising when you consider how likely that the CO's raise is a blind steal. It's the amount that threw the guy off - but really, do i _want_ to get called here? He likely has an overcard if not two, and i definteily don't want to price him into calling.

You have AQ, his only over card cold be a K, if he has KQ...I like pricing people into calling when they are only drawing to a few outs on the turn...maybe that's just me.Granted, we can't do this every time and get away with it...but playing only TP can be tricky...however this board is prettttty safe.Not to mention he does have position and could be raising simply cause of that. I know I do that myself...so...Your re-raise to 16 was ok...I would make it $18 or $20 though if I am re-raising on the flop.But if I think he's bluffing I'll try and get him to commit more chips on the turn and then raise him. Depends really on what you think he has and how confident you are he will bet the turn and you be willing to go with what you think he has and act accordingly.- Jordan

[petersun]

If you sense bluff or weakness, I'd smooth call and check raise on the turn. I don't think he's on a draw so you're not worried about giving him a free card.If you are uncertain of strength, your reraise seems reasonable. If he calls it or reraise it you just have to decide if you want to committ the rest of your chips. I don't think he'd play trips by reraising you unless he's a really tight agressive player who likes to take down pots. This might be possible with his reaction to your 77s play. There is no flush to protect from and you're surely going to bet out again on the turn so he should play trips slower.Then there is of course KKs and AAs. But I doubt he would limp with that (at least he's a bad player to let 4 others see the flop with AA or KK).I think he has something like KQ and he's testing your strength. So I would call and check raise instead of a direct reraise. That might be more profitable.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Against a field like that I prefer check/raising TPTK.If it's a late position bet, I check/raise pot and lead any turn.The other advantage is if you check, huckle #1 bets big, and huckle #2 raises big, you can fold and decide not to go crazy with TPTK OOP.

[eandreas]

I would keep the lead, keep raising, and fold to a bet...tp/tk is that dangerous, you've got to give yourself room to get away from it. I think coming over the top was a great play, not quite enough to put him off a decent hand, but if it worked, it worked...

[Abbaddabba]

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You have AQ, his only over card cold be a K, if he has KQ...  I like pricing people into calling when they are only drawing to a few outs on the turn...maybe that's just me.  

... i was talking about 7's.

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But if I think he's bluffing I'll try and get him to commit more chips on the turn and then raise him.

If i call the $6 raise and check/raise hte turn, i think im commiting way too much.He's going to put in a bet of $10 on the turn likely, and im going to be forced to voluntarily put in at least double, probably triple what i would have had to for the same information on the turn.Our hand isnt nearly strong enough to slow play by calling and checkraising a turn. It's basically going to kill the entire stack if you're behind, and win $10 more if you're ahead. I dont think he's bluffing. I think he either has a second best hand, or he has a set. If he has a set though, he value bets the whole way. If he has KQ, for example, he _probably_ value bets the turn and checks behind on the river.What do i do then? Call hte turn and fold the river? Seems counterintuitive.

[Jordan]

What I was telling you was to stay agg.To win at NL you have to stay agg.I may drop a buy in here or there, but in the long run I'm a winning player because I keep on my agg. whenever I'm in a hand.I think if you let him push you off this hand that is very unlikely to be behind on this flop...then go back to limit - Jordan

[Abbaddabba]

As it turns out, i pushed him off a better hand.He was "bored" and limped with 3/5s. haw haw hawMust've been freaky seeing the BB reraise like that though.

[twinboyz]

In the BB w/A-Q against 4 limpers you should definitely raise. Your hand is likely good at the moment. A raise to $2.50 or $3.00 probably would have won you the pot right there. By letting everyone in cheaply, you run the risk of someone beating you with junk. It's better to be the aggessor and take the lead with a hand that is almost certainly good at the moment.

[Garn]

this couls all have been easily figured out with a raise preflop. dont let those limpers see a flop for free