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[Actuary]

villans are new to table, no reads.Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with K:spade:, 9:diamond:. UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (5 SB) 7:club:, 3:diamond:, 9:heart: (5 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) 2:club: (4 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, CO folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.River: (7.50 BB) 6:spade: (3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.Final Pot: 9.50 BB

[Abbaddabba]

Why not raise the flop?And... if you didnt, a raise on a ridiculously safe turn would be pretty good too.

[Actuary]

Abbaddabba said:

Why not raise the flop?And... if you didnt, a raise on a ridiculously safe turn would be pretty good too.

I see so much opposite man out theere, I figured I'd try!6 Max is full of everyone not raisng AA-QQ preflop, or rasing everything preflop. And those that won't ever bet two pair on the flop, etc.Nah, I wasn't really trying to be opposite man.I was feeling "Screechish", and vulnerable to "what will call me". RIO came to mind. This table wasn't as fishy (I left) as most 6 MaxReally silly, but then again, someone was betting for me and I didn't have to worry about a c/r. I might've lead out a scarier turn to charge draws.I should stop typing, I'm losing brain cells.do you prefer c/r or leading flop?I still can't get down which to do when in these cases.Cases where there is no indication that anyone will bet, no pfr.

[Abbaddabba]

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I was feeling "Screechish", and vulnerable to "what will call me".

At .50/1 six max? All the way down to, and possibly including king high.

[Actuary]

Abbaddabba said:

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I was feeling "Screechish", and vulnerable to "what will call me".

At .50/1 six max? All the way down to, and possibly including king high.

I get really dumb sometimes and forget I'm reading 3/6 hands, but still playing .5/1.So you lead out or c/r? And why?thanks!

[Steppin Razor]

I check raise the flop. MP doesn't have to have anything here, or he can have middle pair (which I would also c/r). Check raise so you can win right there, to find out how much he likes his hand, and to get overcards out.

[Tparks86]

I agree that you need to do something differently on the flop. Either check raise to gain control and then if you get raised on the turn you'll know you're probably beat. You could also just lead out on the flop since there was no raises preflop you can assume 9's K kicker is the best hand. Either way, you should have taken control of this hand on the flop and kept control of it until the SD.

[iggymcfly]

Sometimes, I might like to check-call with top pair, but this is absolutely terrible situation to do it. First off, your pair is low, and you'd be vulnerable to be outdrawn by a 10, J,Q, or A. Second, you have such a solid kicker, that it's extremely likely you're ahead. I say c/r the flop if you think there's a decent chance they'll bet with no hand, and lead out if they're weak-passive. I think that check-calling was unequivocally wrong in this situation.

[Actuary]

well, how bout before I know who's betting?check and risk a check thru?or lead out?

[screech]

I would have lead that turn. Going for a c/r is too sneaky.

[Briguy]

I'd just lead every street. If it gets raised behind me on the turn, I'll start to worry about A9 or a set.

[Pancake407]

I think im leading that flop, I wouldnt want to let it check-through.

[Steppin Razor]

Hmm... I think I'd take the chance it gets checked through. With almost the whole table in the pot, someone's probably going to take a shot, or have something. If they don't you can feel pretty good about your top pair unless someone is a habitual slow player.BTW, get some reads

[Actuary]

thanks for all the feed back.Villan had J9.He probably feels like I do a lot"Why didn't that guy bet/raise at all with K9. Stupid Calling Station"It's important too, when we recommend check raising to say why we anticipate a bet or if not, why letting it get checked thru is ok.I usually lead out these flop. But taking control with a vulnerable hand and susceptible to millions of draws (T,J,Q,A, str8's) usually leads to getting outdrawn adds up to frustration. I know I have ot protect and hope weaker draws fold or call unprofitably and I make more in long run.So far at 6 Max: Up 25 Down 35 Up 75 Down 32 Up 46 that's my days so far..it's crazy! I'm only playing about 400 hands each day too.

[DCWildcat]

I hate not leading the flop. No checking through. Too many overs that could be charged. Superclear value bet. And don't try a damn C/R in an unraised pot with a dumb flop.Bet the turn as well, though the hand kind of plays differently after the flop bet.

[Steppin Razor]

You might be right about leading, but 6 max, 5 to the flop? I'd think someone has to have something. If not, there's at least a chance (esp. at the level) someone's going to take a shot with A or K high.At best, a lead out gets 4 more small bets, and/or a slight chance to fold overs. At worst, 1 caller.At best a check raise gets 1 more bet from the original bettor, and folds overs and draws. Also takes the lead, and gives a slight chance to win the pot.I'll cancel out the slight chance of folding overs with a lead, and the slight chance of winning the pot with the c/r. Most overs wold take a card for one small bet. And most lead outs won't fold to a c/r.What's more valuable with 9 high top pair? Getting bets in from overs to hit their 6 outer, plus the odd gutshot (unlikely with this ugly a flop) - or possibly chasing out overcards and giving yourself a good chance to take the pot on the turn, and a good chance of strengthening your hand?They say top players make money playing well in marginal situations. Maybe I'm undervaluing a weak top pair?