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#1 project240

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 10:45 AM

Don't have hand history, but don't really need it for this one. Playing a 10 man ring $1/2 limit. I raised in 6th position w/ AJ os to $2, button +1 raises to $3, button raises to $4 all fold to me. Do you call here with AJ knowing you are behind, hoping they have AK or an underpair?Comments.

#2 Verdimme

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 10:47 AM

When facing two bets back to me after my initial raise i tighten up like i have to call two cold. That makes AJo an easy fold.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 10:50 AM

Fold what is most likely a dominated hand.
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 10:56 AM

That was my thinking as well. I folded preflop.Flop came J-5-7check, checkTurn 3check, checkRiver 5Check, Bet, CallBoth players show AKI know I would have won this particular hand, but this was an easy fold PF... Thanks for the replies.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 11:16 AM

w/o reading replies:what is button+1 ?anyway. Getting 13:2 most likely, I call.It's a loose call, probably a bad call.. but I don't want to raise/fold pf with this hand. *read replies*bummer. Don't give results so fast!.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 11:26 AM

Hmm Actuary, why would you ever want to play a pot where its pretty clear that your hand is dominated? I dont see any hand three betting or capping that we are a favourite over. There are exeptions to this ofcourse, when both players are pure maniacs.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 11:28 AM

Good fold preflop. Even if you hit your jack, if there was any heavy action you couldn't think your top pair, top kicker was any good?Preflop, you are behind to A/K, A/Q, A/A, K/K, Q/Q, J/J.It depends what your reads are. If these two people will raise and reraise with any pocket pair and you feel you are 90% sure that any ace or jack that hits the board will give you the best hand, then go ahead and call.
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#8 Actuary

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 11:49 AM

Verdimme said:

Hmm Actuary, why would you ever want to play a pot where its pretty clear that your hand is dominated? I dont see any hand three betting or capping that we are a favourite over. There are exeptions to this ofcourse, when both players are pure maniacs.
I'm a stubborn fish.Depends on the day, maybe I do fold.Raise/fold just gives me the cooties.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 11:51 AM

Actuary said:

w/o reading replies:what is button+1 ?anyway.  Getting 13:2 most likely, I call.It's a loose call, probably a bad call.. but I don't want to raise/fold pf with this hand.  *read replies*bummer.  Don't give results so fast!.
Getting 6.5-1 on a hand that is most likely dominated by some combination of one or two of the following: AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ...I don't think it's worth the price when you consider the negative implied odds.EDIT: and you already responded...please disregard
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:14 AM

project240 said:

Don't have hand history, but don't really need it for this one. Playing a 10 man ring $1/2 limit. I raised in 6th position w/ AJ os to $2, button +1 raises to $3, button raises to $4 all fold to me. Do you call here with AJ knowing you are behind, hoping they have AK or an underpair?Comments.
1 - Why would you hope he has AK ? Unless you hit a J, you're toast.2 - Good fold. When I enter a pot with AJ and get raised, i'm actually happy when it gets reraised as it allows me to release instantly a hand that would have probably cost me a little more.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 10:19 AM

i'm very "skalanskyesque" (sshe) on this type of thingi won't call with easily dominated hands like AJ here but I will still call two cold (considering i have the right odds, etc.) with hands that are less dominated like mid pocket pairs and i think 88 for example is a hell of a lot easier hand to play in this spot too




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