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[Randy Reed]

Different from the tpwk in bb hand since there is a pair on the flop and my first thought was to try for the c/r as mentioned in the other hand until 3 callers in front of me came. c/r or c/c or just fold?PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with [Td], [6d]. UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (7 SB) [Tc], [9h], [9s] (7 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

[screech]

Even though the pot is bigger here, I think you should check/fold.If someone has a nine, you're drawing to 2 outs. A ten, and you're drawing to a split at best. There are a lot of bad cards (overs, straights) that can come on the turn to outdraw you. RIO suck. Just fold.

[Actuary]

screech said:

 RIO suck.  Just fold.

you can't have RIO in a 6 BB pot, post flop.can you?

[screech]

Actuary said:

screech said:

RIO suck. Just fold.

you can't have RIO in a 6 BB pot, post flop.can you?

It's one of those rare big pot RIO situations. It's true we're getting 11:1, but I think we win a lot less than 10% at showdown here. Most of the time we are drawing dead/to half the pot at best.

[Verdimme]

What is RIO? :roll:

[Randy Reed]

It's ROI, return on investment. And I agree with screech, despite my call that it's a fold. With 4 callers, i'm most likely drawing to the Ten and a split pot. On the tpwk in bb hand on the other post, I also had a backdoor flush draw which I don't here.I check/flolded the turn K when it went bet/raise/raise back to me by the way. Guesses on what I was facing?

[Actuary]

Verdimme said:

What is RIO? :roll:

Reverse Implied Odds.Wheras implied odds take the pot+future bets to be won and divides by the current bet you need to call; RIO takes the recipricol, essentially. Essentially in a small pot with a marginal hand that is either already behind with little chance of improving to the best hand or ahead but easily out drawn, you face the risk of putting in a few Big Bets while only getting "paid off" by hands that outdraw/ahead of you. You win little or lose a lot, relatively speaking.RIO are the reason I don't play TP3K anymore and just call pf with suited cards and pairs, only. :x

[pokerplayer24]

screech said:

Even though the pot is bigger here, I think you should check/fold.If someone has a nine, you're drawing to 2 outs. A ten, and you're drawing to a split at best. There are a lot of bad cards (overs, straights) that can come on the turn to outdraw you. RIO suck. Just fold.

yep that about sums it up.