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[bdc30]

Before I post the hand I will give my PT stats on the villain. Through 100 hands, his VPIP isa whopping 96%. PFR is 34% and his PFA is 5.He's built up a nice stack with some huge suckouts(ie. I raise PF with JJ, he calls with J4, flop 447...ya)I'd like to double through him here obviously...How is the best way to do this?Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxSB ($629.15)Hero ($220.90)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9:club:, 9:heart:. SB posts a blind of $1. Hero calls $2, 3 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.Flop: ( $8 ) 6:diamond:, 9:spade:, 6:spade: (4 players)SB bets $2

[bdc30]

And just to show how insane this villain is, here's a hand he was just involved in...Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxUTG+1 ($257.05)MP1 ($325.55)MP2 ($196)CO ($197)Button ($487.60)SB ($243.80)Hero ($439.65)UTG ($201.55)Preflop: Hero is BB with A:spade:, 6:heart:. SB posts a blind of $1. 2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $20, CO folds, Button calls $20.Flop: ($80) J:diamond:, 5:spade:, 2:diamond: (3 players)SB bets $75, MP2 folds, Button calls $75.Turn: ($230) 4:spade: (2 players)SB calls $144.80 (All-In), Button calls $144.80.River: ($519.60) 7:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $519.60SB shows QQ, Button shows...are you ready for this?? 2 8 o/s !!!!

[bdc30]

Here's another hand, which he won...lolI'll sell this guy's SN over PM's and make millions,if anyone's interested...lolParty Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxCO ($191.75)Button ($47)SB ($255.05)BB ($323.55)UTG ($196)UTG+1 ($193)UTG+2 ($259.80)MP1 ($516.60)Hero ($436.65)MP3 ($198.55)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2:heart:, 4:diamond:. SB posts a blind of $1. UTG calls $2, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $12.Flop: ($43) 6:club:, A:heart:, 7:spade: (2 players)UTG bets $30, UTG+2 calls $30.Turn: ($103) 8:heart: (2 players)UTG calls $146 (All-In), UTG+2 calls $146.River: ($395) T:diamond: (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $395Results in white below: UTG has Kc Ad (one pair, aces). UTG+2 has 7h 9c (straight, ten high). Outcome: UTG+2 wins $395.

[akishore]

from previous hands, he clearly doesn't fold. if the pot wasn't multiway, there would be no reason to slowplay. you're probably getting his stack anyway, especially if he is prone to bluff (your two hands don't show whether he is or not).since you have a guy to act behind you, flat-call and re-evaluate on the turn.and please PM me his screenname. thanks! :-) aseem

[wannabe]

akishore said:

from previous hands, he clearly doesn't fold. if the pot wasn't multiway, there would be no reason to slowplay. you're probably getting his stack anyway, especially if he is prone to bluff (your two hands don't show whether he is or not).since you have a guy to act behind you, flat-call and re-evaluate on the turn.and please PM me his screenname. thanks!  :-)  aseem

I really dislike a call here... imo it shows strength to a bully... you have to make the bully think you are trying to muscle him back, by raising bigger than normal.. I personally like making it around 18 to go here. If he has an overpair, he will definitely pay you off.

[bdc30]

wannabe said:

I really dislike a call here... imo it shows strength to a bully... I personally like making it around 18 to go here.

To be honest, I'm not really worried about the bully in this hand.I know he'll be in for the duration, as he is in most every hand that he catches ANY piece of. Plus, I've got position on the maniac for the rest of the hand,so I can just sit back and watch him continue to push moneyinto a pot that I know he has slim to no chance of winning.A raise in this spot would likely take the pot down, but is that really what we want?? The odds of getting outdrawnare about as slim as they get.I think we want to exploit our position in relation to the maniacin this spot. Any money put in by the other guy is just a bonus.

[Scott3705]

Question.... why is he min betting here? is this normal for him? I like raising just because even maniacs can fold at the river when all of a sudden you wake up and wanna push in a bet that's 3 times the pot. I like raising here just to build the pot and hope you get a call. However, if you feel like he will really step on the gas for the turn and river, then a call is ok.

[bdc30]

Scott3705 said:

Question.... why is he min betting here?  is this normal for him?

Yes, it totally is normal for him. This guy is unlikeanyone I've ever seen. On several occasions, he's min-beton the flop and turn, and then pounded the pot hard on theriver. He hasn't had to show down many hands, but theones he HAS shown have been mediocre, at best.

[Scott3705]

If min betting is normal for him, I could justify you calling here. Maybe some one behind you picked up a flush draw or caught a 6. (although I don't think that was on your mind as you left their stack sizes out. I'm guessin you raised and everyone folded). I still go with my instinct here would be to raise. (mainly because I play mostly short handed nl and play very aggressive so that i get paid off for hands like this).

[MarionSauce]

Hey Brent, what's up with the fake boob avatars lately?You can definitely slowplay this, no? He's a total crazy white jacket!

[bdc30]

MarionSauce said:

Hey Brent, what's up with the fake boob avatars lately?You can definitely slowplay this, no? He's a total crazy white jacket!

Haha...I told ya...send me an avatar, I'll use it, I don't carewhat it is...I only put up this one cuz somebody was complainingthat I didn't have one...lolAnd ya, I'm totally trying to slowplay this here...I don't see ANY advantage at all to trying to take controlagainst this guy...

[Scott3705]

[quote="bdc30pAnd ya, I'm totally trying to slowplay this here...I don't see ANY advantage at all to trying to take controlagainst this guy...[/quote]I guess i don't understand the way you are describing this guy. The way you describe him is as though with a strong hand he's going to get all his chips in the pot if you give him an excuse to. like akishore sayid... with this hand it seems like it doesn't matter what you do. The advantage i see in raising is making the pot big enough that we're giving him a reason to put his chips in. Is he going to bet $200 into a $10 pot on the river if you keep slowplaying?Interested to see results on this one.

[bdc30]

Scott3705 said:

The way you describe him is as though with a strong hand he's going to get all his chips in the pot. Is he going to bet $200 into a $10 pot on the river if you keep slowplaying?

You're putting too much emphasis on the maniac needing a STRONG hand to try and make a play at me here. With a 95% vpip, the guy obviously doesn't need manyexcuses to put money in these pots. If he doesn't have a hand yet, a raise will only cause himto get away from the pot.I'm not worried about him catching up, as I have a superstrong hand. Why not string him along, in position, and let him try to take control??

[Scott3705]

bdc30 said:

Scott3705 said:

The way you describe him is as though with a strong hand he's going to get all his chips in the pot. Is he going to bet $200 into a $10 pot on the river if you keep slowplaying?

You're putting too much emphasis on the maniac needing a STRONG hand to try and make a play at me here.

that was my bad. I didn't mean him having a strong hand. I meant you having a strong hand. (Wrote that terribly). Like i said... if you are confident he will begin to overbet the pot then slowplay the entire way. The min raise is what scares me here. If he puts in a $4 raise on the turn what are you going to do? smooth call and hope he puts in a huge bet on the river. (You may have had that read on him which is fine). I just think there's less risk of not getting paid off here by raising.If he doesn't have a hand yet, a raise will only cause him to get away from the pot. Does not seem like from your description of this guy that a raise is going to get him off of anything. Not the case?

[skoal_dip]

I might make some crazy over bet on this guy here, even if it only works 30% of the time, if it does you'll win a huge pot. Raise him to 25.

[bdc30]

I can't get my head around all these people that advocate pushing big bets in to the potat this early stage. In my way of thinking, that move is one thatserves a dual purpose. You're trying to build a pot, while at the same time, you'd be satisfiedjust to take it down right there.In this hand, the LAST thing I want is to takethe pot down early. We're almost unbeatable in this spot. We have position on a guy who's puttingmore money in more pots than I've ever seen at$200 max NL. Why do we want to push back?? He covers our stack 3-1. To him, we're "short stacked" basically.If he catches ANY piece of this, we know he'll tryand bully us around.Why take the lead when it's not necessary?Not to mention it would be great to drag theother player still left to act in to the hand as well...

[Scott3705]

bdc30 said:

I can't get my head around all these people that advocate pushing big bets in to the potat this early stage. In my way of thinking, that move is one thatserves a dual purpose. You're trying to build a pot, while at the same time, you'd be satisfiedjust to take it down right there.In this hand, the LAST thing I want is to takethe pot down early. We're almost unbeatable in this spot. We have position on a guy who's puttingmore money in more pots than I've ever seen at$200 max NL. Why do we want to push back?? He covers our stack 3-1. To him, we're "short stacked" basically.If he catches ANY piece of this, we know he'll tryand bully us around.Why take the lead when it's not necessary?Not to mention it would be great to drag theother player still left to act in to the hand as well...

this is clearly a case of you having a better read on the player in the moment than any of us could by reading your description of him. Honestly, nothing you've said has led me to believe he would fold to a bet small bet and you haven't given any real reasons why you know he's going to start to over bet the pot later in the hand. Again, clearly this is a hand based soley on your read of a player that you said "you have never seen anything like before." Nice hand... just don't know why you bothered posting it.Edit: My reasoning for my opinion on him is that one hand you showed hiim as a calling station with garbage and the other hand you showed him as a making relative reasonable size raises after the flop.

[gooch]

any chance he has pocket 6's?

[Scott3705]

Results?

[bdc30]

Scott3705 said:

Results?

I'm at work, don't have the HH file, but I'll post em when I get home today.