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[HOUSTONRAISE]

just went back to limit from sng's an effort to rebuild my bankroll. was on a downswing with the sng's. everything is going well so far. my flop % seems way too high though. i'm averaging from 36% - 39%. a lot of these tables on party pretty loose and i like to see flops with those suited connectors and such. those kinds of hands seem to be pretty profitable when they hit, usually putting some fish with aa or kk on tilt which is even more profitable. and they're easy to get away from if they don't hit. i'm a fairly aggressive player so i will raise in late position with marginal hands with only one limper in front of me in an attempt to take the lead and steal if they don't hit. i'm happy with my results so far and feeling good, but what are ya'lls average flops seen % in LHE? I just finished up a session where i started with $381 and finished at $412. played 391 hands 3 tabling. won 16% of hands played. won 89% of showdowns. saw 39% of flops. and won 41% of the time when i saw the flop. my showdown win % is usually in the mid 90s. but these stats seem to be the norm since i started playing limit again. thanks for your input!

[Lindemulet]

18%-20% LHE cash games, 18%-20% LHE tourney, 18%-20% NLHE cash games, 100% NLHE tourneys

[econ_tim]

Percentage of flops seen is not equal to VP$IP.I checked my stats for .5/1 full ring.VP$IP: 21.6% (been running good)folded preflop: 71.8%

[Valuecall]

If you are playing 36% to 39% of your hands, then you are making plays that aren't for me. I'll leave it to experienced poker authors to determine their profitability over the long term. At that range, you should really have PokerTracker to track what hands are working for you long-term (sort by table position.)Some holes at 39% might be playing A-9 and below unsuited in a multiway pot. Those hands are looking for trouble, IMHO."Prospecting" hands like small pocket pairs, suited aces, and suited connectors will be trouble from early position on an aggressive table. Those hands want multi-way action and a lot of limpers. If you get stuck calling raises with only a couple of opponents, you'll have to know when to lay those down in early position.Suited Kings w/weak kicker can be trouble hands too. You're winning a few less flushes because you don't have the nut (and those losses will be expensive.) If you stay in a multiway pot with a K on board, you might be in trouble with a weak kicker.Just some off-the-cuff thoughts. Best of luck to you.

[pokerplayer24]

If you're winning in the long run I wouldnt be worried. Especially since .50/1 is so loose passive you get to see a ton of flops from the blinds for free.

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Some holes at 39% might be playing A-9 and below unsuited in a multiway pot. Those hands are looking for trouble, IMHO.  

This is 6 handed so these hands are more valuable especially vs the garbage that .50/1 players limp. A7 o and down def bad limps. Raising preflop with A8 or A9 in position is pretty fine.

[Valuecall]

pokerplayer24 said:

This is 6 handed so these hands are more valuable especially vs the garbage that .50/1 players limp.  A7 o and down def bad limps.  Raising preflop with A8 or A9 in position is pretty fine.

Correct. My post was geared toward full ring.

[Verdimme]

I think the best thing you can do is read SSHE by Sklansky. It shows clearly when to play which hands in what position, against a raise, etc. Once you have read that you will be able to lay down 5 6 UTG :-) .

[psujohn]

Why do we fold small suited connectors UTG but play them in late position? Because we 1) fear a raise behind us and 2) want a bunch of people in the pot with us. Lots of .5/1 table play so loose/passive that we're 1) rarely facing a raise behind and 2) almost always seeing a bunch of people in the pot. At the right table it's not necessarily bad to limp smallish suited connectors from EP.The numbers that Party collects are not equivalent to PT numbers (which are a lot more meaningful). They show flops seen % not VP$IP. The showdown number is also HIGHLY skewed because the only count times you show your cards. IE if someone shows the winner in front of you and you muck it doesn't affect your % showdown won.That said your %flops number still seems a bit high. I normally see around 30% +/- 5% in full ring. In 6-max it's higher.

[pokerplayer24]

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won 89% of showdowns. saw 39% of flops. and won 41% of the time when i saw the flop. my showdown win % is usually in the mid 90s.

Just noticed this. If your hands won at showdown is over 55% you either ran great during the session or are folding way way to many winners.

[psujohn]

pokerplayer24 said:

Just noticed this.  If your hands won at showdown is over 55% you either ran great during the session or are folding way way to many winners.

No, the stat is just inaccurate. Party has a pretty braindead way of calculating it.

[mrdannyg]

psujohn said:

pokerplayer24 said:

Just noticed this. If your hands won at showdown is over 55% you either ran great during the session or are folding way way to many winners.

No, the stat is just inaccurate. Party has a pretty braindead way of calculating it.

this is correct - i've had sessions where i've supposedly won 100% of showdowns seen. don't know how they calculate it, but i sure as hell didn't win all my showdowns.your actual % should be 45-60% to give a generous range. if its not in there, you probably have major problems at full ring LHE