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[screech]

Villian is 41/7/0.29 after only 30 hands.Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with 6:spade:, 6:club:. 3 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (4.33 SB) 3:diamond:, 2:club:, 2:diamond: (2 players)Hero bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 3.66 BBWe good?

[DLizzle]

Id personally reraise preflop, then bet flop and go from there. I'm raising the flop. You played this ridiculously tight to me. Six handed, with a raise from the button, you just call then check fold the flop of undercards. Am i crazy in calling this a bad play?

[Don Giovanni]

hes gonna raise you on this flop with AK, mabey worse. i would 3 bet the flop and slow down if he continues raising. this is the button rasing preflop afterall, he could be stealing and have a wide range of hands.oh and wes anderson movies own

[screech]

DLizzle said:

Id personally reraise preflop, then bet flop and go from there. I'm raising the flop. You played this ridiculously tight to me. Six handed, with a raise from the button, you just call then check fold the flop of undercards. Am i crazy in calling this a bad play?

I think you are.For starters, I bet/folded the flop, not check/fold.The reason I did not raise pf was simple. This dude is super passive. He will be very easy to play against after the flop. Why put in more money pf? I'm usually going to be 50/50 with this guy, and sometimes he will have an overpair and I will be a huge dog. I agree that I played this

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ridiculously tight

if you fail to notice the type of opponent I am up against.

[Canada]

screech said:

Villian is 41/7/0.29 after only 30 hands.We good?

With your read, just

[justblaze]

30 hands is kinda useless man, whats his ATSB?

[jayboogie]

If he has an overpair, I can see him calling the flop bet and popping the turn. You really don't know if his raise on the flop is AK or a PP as this flop looks great for both hands and AK would think they're ahead here. I would have check-raised the flop if I had played this hand the way you did by just calling the pre-flop, but I'd prefere 3-betting.Your reasoning for not 3-betting pre-flop is not right. The odds are he has 2 high cards or maybe he has nothing and is on a steal. If he has 2 over cards, you will be ahead on the flop 70% of the time, which means you'll be betting the flop and taking down many pots when he misses it the majority of the time. By 3-betting you get to take control of the hand and represent something like a big Ace and maybe even fold a better pair than 66, which gives you fold equity. It also gives you the option of letting your hand go if you get played back at.By just calling, you check/fold just about every flop with paints or Aces and can only like your hand when it's all rags and even then your not sure if your ahead as the button could have easily been on a steal with suited connectors that may have paired up.

[screech]

justblaze said:

30 hands is kinda useless man, whats his ATSB?

I agree, but I think when someone shows an AF to one extreme or the other, it is usually somewhat indicative of his play. Plus the whole reverse implied odds thing in a small pot.

[justblaze]

screech said:

justblaze said:

30 hands is kinda useless man, whats his ATSB?

I agree, but I think when someone shows an AF to one extreme or the other, it is usually somewhat indicative of his play. Plus the whole reverse implied odds thing in a small pot.

or hes a moderately crappy player on a crappy run of 30 hands. more stats are needed. ATSB? WTSD? W$SD? you dont check these things when dealing with steal defense? i have ATSB and W$SD on my HUD.

[Sysvr4]

Haven't read replies.PF - 3-betFlop - Bet/raiseWhy not take the lead against a steal?Jeff

[justblaze]

Sysvr4 said:

Haven't read replies.PF - 3-betFlop - Bet/raiseWhy not take the lead against a steal?Jeff

because based on the read we have been given, villain seems extremely passive with a narrow steal range and an even smaller flop range (not my argument, just the one that has been made - i 3bet pf and bet-fold flop).

[screech]

justblaze said:

30 hands is kinda useless man

With only 30 hands, these stats are even more useless than AF because he's only going to be in a blind stealing situation maybe 3 or 4 times.Occassionally, he will raise with overcards here. More often than not, a player with these stats over 30 hands can beat 66. Small pot, I can let it go.

[screech]

Ok, I'm starting to think a 3-bet pf is the way to go. Even if this guy is passive, 3-betting pf makes this hand much easier to play.

[Sysvr4]

justblaze said:

because based on the read we have been given, villain seems extremely passive with a narrow steal range and an even smaller flop range (not my argument, just the one that has been made - i 3bet pf and bet-fold flop).

Right, but I agree with you and the others that say 30 hands is way too few to give any credit. I've been 5% PFR over 100 hands at 6 max tables after a cold run of cards, and my norm is triple that :)Jeff

[Actuary]

no, we aren't good.too tight weak for 6 Max, imo.Fold preflop if you think he's that passive.You won't always make up the bets post flop.You need to win 4 SB's more post flop, I think.******** read replies ******Yeah, I like 3-betting preflop if we disregard the stats, and we can at only 30 hands. Definealty.Just thought it was super inconsistent to call preflop and then fold this flop.

[CoranMoran]

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Flop: (4.33 SB) 3, 2, 2 (2 players) Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Villain should (and better) raise this flop from the button with any holding. Especially if he knows that Hero would even consider folding to this raise.

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Villain is 41/7/0.29 after only 30 hands.

I think too many good poker players make too many bad plays because of unproven stats.Until I have seen a much more significant sample size, I base most of my decisions on other proven factors. When a decision seems to obviously be leaning one way, don't let Pokertracker convince you to make the wrong play.--cnm

[screech]

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Fold preflop if you think he's that passive. You won't always make up the bets post flop. You need to win 4 SB's more post flop, I think

He still raises 7% pf, and this is a blind stealing situation. The postflop fold had nothing to do with the pf call.

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I think too many good poker players make too many bad plays because of unproven stats.

I think you're right.

[Actuary]

screech said:

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Fold preflop if you think he's that passive. You won't always make up the bets post flop. You need to win 4 SB's more post flop, I think

He still raises 7% pf, and this is a blind stealing situation. The postflop fold had nothing to do with the pf call.

If 66 gets bet/folded on this board post flop then the preflop call sucks.That's how I tie them together.I hate my job.