kings on what looks like a safe flop....

[Abbaddabba 0]

***** Hand History for Game 3025479644 *****$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 12, 16:33:41 EDT 2005Table Table 65802 (Real Money)Seat 4 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 1: Juan912 ( $127.05 )Seat 4: MissVit ( $100.80 )Seat 5: BigKozboski ( $59.40 )Seat 8: GrindingHalt ( $48 )Seat 10: cloudnesstwo ( $49.80 )Seat 9: Abbaddabba ( $51.30 )Seat 6: R_Mexico ( $49 )Seat 7: Oscarac ( $83.25 )Seat 3: UJstBnFelted ( $16.95 )Seat 2: ThsIsTheYear ( $49.50 )BigKozboski posts small blind [$0.25].R_Mexico posts big blind [$0.50].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to Abbaddabba [ Kh Kc ]Oscarac folds.GrindingHalt calls [$0.50].Abbaddabba raises [$2.50].cloudnesstwo folds.Juan912 calls [$2.50].ThsIsTheYear folds.UJstBnFelted folds.MissVit folds.BigKozboski folds.R_Mexico calls [$2].GrindingHalt calls [$2].** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 9c, 3c ]R_Mexico bets [$3].GrindingHalt folds.Abbaddabba raises [$15].Juan912 raises [$35].R_Mexico is all-In [$43.50]Abbaddabba: wowAbbaddabba: seriously?Abbaddabba folds.Juan912 calls [$11.50].(the convertor is messing up the action)Besides "raise more preflop", what are your thoughts? What if R_Mexico folds? Do i push?

[Ktiger48 0]

i think that if mexico folds pushing would be the right move there. but, given what really happened, i think folding was probably the right move there.

[PimpRock 0]

I suspect you have one of them beaten but not both of them... Passing is probably the right move (although at that limit I susect I woulda called just to see). It just goes to show you though that the action pre flop made the flop play SOOOOOO much more difficult. Of course if Juan is a complete donk, I would probably call anyways.

[fopkins 0]

Why are you advocating him raising more than 6xbb preflop again?-fop

[HurricaneKyle 0]

I have to think you are beat at that point. You hate to fold them, but its hard to see what they could be ahead of when two people are betting wildly on a seemingly ragged flop. One of them almost certainly has a set.

[doublemeup 0]

I just lost with KK on a flop of 227 when a donk called my raise with Q7 and on the turn a 7 to bust me. That was the first time i've lost with KK in a long time. KK is my favorite hand even after this donkey bad beat.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

In this scenario, I'd fold. If RMexico folds, it becomes really read-dependent as to whether or not I want to risk the rest of my chips against this guy. You didn't give any read, so honestly, I don't know what to tell you.

[Abbaddabba 0]

If i had a read, i would have mentioned it.I sat down at the table not long before this hand was dealt.

[petersun 0]

I think the fold is the right move.Did you have any info on the average pot size of the table?I get the sense that it's one of those really crazy low limit tables where people are willing to raise all in with flush draws and call with just top pair. So was there a showdown? What did they have?

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah, I can't really see anything you did wrong, either preflop or on the flop.I'd actually probably call there with those pot odds, just because of the number of donkeys on PP NL 50 tables. You're probably behind, but I'd say you're just barely priced in, in case you're going against something like JJ and the nut flush draw. A-9 and 4-5 wouldn't surprise me much on that kind of table either. Again, I can't really fault you either way, as both a call or a fold are perfectly reasonable, but at those stakes, I think I'd have to narrowly lean toward a call there.

[allinbluff35 0]

everything is fine.