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[The Ace of Jades]

I was playing an 18 person sit and go and had one real great play. There were about six of us left I think. I raised before the flop with AJo, one caller. The flop was Ace blank Ace so I checked, he did too. Turn came a jack giving me a full house. I check, he bets 500, I call. turn is a blank, I check, he bets a grand, I raise to 2k, he calls me all in (only 210 more chips), so I call and reveal my full house to his set of Aces.I was pretty happy that he kept bettin into me after the flop. And afterwards him and a couple of the others mention it was a good play on my part.I didn't get a chance to do that again, though. I'm wondering if maybe I should have done the same thing and maybe bluffed a pot or two with that play.I ended up gettin second in that tourney by the way.

[tweeds07]

It was a good play but he did flop a set of Aces...even if you bet at it...there's no way he's folding that 6 handed.I somewhat agree with playing that hand the same way on a bluff but the problem is someone might have that set of aces again. If you played that way against him when you had rags, he would call you down the whole way and you'd be crippled (I'm assuming, I don't know the chip stack sizes).Pick ur spots based on ur opponents play, if he's calling any sort of reraise there he's most likely got you beat, and you might want to slow down. unless of course you have the nuts like in your example, which is always nice!

[Billy1127]

I think that no matter what was happening, he was going to call/bet.

[UglyJimStudly]

It looks like you both thought you were trapping. Those sorts of traps are pretty much guaranteed to work well, the real test of a trap is whether you can sucker in somebody who has only a minor part of the hand. You don't mention his kicker, but if it was K or Q then he was a pretty big favourite before the turn. Regardless, he almost certainly thought he had you hooked. For me personally, what works is to play straightforward aggressive poker the great majority of the time, and then mix in the occasional trap/slow-play/bluff/whatever. People tend to remember the tricky plays much longer than the straightforward ones, so the tricky stuff has a limited shelf life and I try to only haul it out for the really big pots with the right opponents.

[tweeds07]

Agreed, UglyJim... said everything I wished I had added after I hit submit!

[The Ace of Jades]

If memory serves I believe it was a seven of clubs.And I believe I was about third or fourth before the hand and became chip leader after doubling up.

[Snydz9]

I probably would have bet out a smallish size bet, hoping to fold out the other players and signal that you had the blank and two pair, hoping to get a call from someone either with also the blank of the ace and then trap them that way. Checking the turn after making the full house and a smallish size bet to signal having a blank, shows that you probably did have the blank and are now worried that someone could have paired the jack and be above you with their two pair, inviting a player after you to bet out, especially with an ace.

[braminc]

the only thing i can add to wahts already been said is i wouldnt have checked on the river. here it turned out nicely for you because he bet and you got to pushall your chips in, but if i have the nuts i always have to put at least something in (esp if i think he has a second best) to force a bit more money out of him. if he had like k j that hand, he prob wouldve just checked behind you on the river being scared of trip aces. luckily he had an ace too, and everything turned out fine. my 2 cents

[espnnate]

this was not as good of a trap as they say. you were setting yourself up to either lose the hand, or not get any action. by raising preflop you tell your opponents that you are strong, maybe that you have a pair or an ace. with the aces flopping, and you have a pocket pair, you would most likely bet and try to take the pot down. however, but checking you are telling him that you have an ace, or possibly that you missed completely. however, check calling on the turn definitely tells me that you are very strong. also what if you don't catch that jack and your opponent had 1010, and turns a ten then you are busted. think about what could have happened

[mmbapmashida]

Unless you think he is a super aggressive player, I would not have checked the river for the sake of the chance he might also check it. Obviously he didn't because he had a legit hand, but other times it wouldn't work. That's just my style though.

[JFarrell20]

Yes, it worked out well for you. You are my new hero. I've never made a play like that in my life.

[The Ace of Jades]

JFarrel, thank you for admiration. I hope I don't dissapoint you in my future adventures. Stay tuned for future escapades from yours truly. next week, same poker forum, same poker time.Anyways, all assholes aside, thank you all for your comments.

[Smasharoo]

Just bet it.All the money was going in here no matter how you played it. They way you happened to was completely irrelevent.

[Wilderness]

mmbapmashida said:

Unless you think he is a super aggressive player, I would not have checked the river for the sake of the chance he might also check it. Obviously he didn't because he had a legit hand, but other times it wouldn't work. That's just my style though.

Yeah, I don't see any reason to have checked then either, because if he's smart, and you've been check-calling, he may very well check fearing he is outkicked, as he was in this case and you'd even paired your kicker for the boat.With the hand that he had, you could have come out firing and he was going to get his money in there anyway, so it really wasn't a "trap". I'd have probably come out betting because, as Smash once said, "Fastplaying is the new slowplaying." After reading that I began to pay attention to how people play when hitting trips and big hands, and at least at my low limits it was quite obvious that most of the time if you come out betting, people will just not believe you have it, its great.Anyways, I can see why you slow-played it, but after you re-raised the turn, I would not have checked the river because he should have had warning bells going off in his head and checked it as well.

[Awful]

I'm a fan of the weak lead, myself; the cards pretty much dictate that you get all the action in the world, or none. Look at the consistency between your style and trapping. You need to be weak-tight or your opponent needs to be a frequent bluffer (and know that it's their current table image) to enable the trap to work. To set up the trap when you lack position, you need to play a bad overall game, or else you will break internal consistency and lose deception.Trapping is only sold when you will check-call with weak hands. Since there aren't many odds-justified chases in NL when your opponent knows how to bet, slowplaying is obvious and minimizes value if you play well in other aspects of the game. If you check that hand, then call, you are basically showing him your ace.As Smasharoo said, the cards fell in a way that ensured the money was going in. If he had 2 pair with the blank, maybe it's a good trap, but still, trapping is played out and obvious due to the little chasing going on. Trapping only works when you and your opponent have very stong hands and you hold a small edge (like superior kicker, etc).