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[gr345y]

I've read about limp-raising with big PPs but when else would a limp-raise be appropriate?p.s. limp-raise.com would be a sick poker site domain, don't you think?

[jayistheman]

i was thinkin about this last night for limit play....i, personally dont limp raise in limit with hi pp's because i found that it simply creates a huge pot.... which gives odds to people to draw out on you.... in limit play, this often wont shut too many people out.i found that limp raising is good with hands that play very well in multiway pots.... hands that are "hit or miss".... something like an AK suited or any other type of strong drawing hand.... the pot will be HUGE, so you will be giving yourself odds to draw after the flop. say you have AK you limp in 2nd position.2 others limp behind you and the button raises...the BB calls, and you reraise.one of the limpers behind you calls the reraise cold, the button and the BB call as well.well, you now have a gargantuan pot to draw at here... you are, however, out of position... (one of the drawbacks of limp raising) but oh well.say the flop comes something like 3 7 j ...checks to the button, he bets... you have odds to draw to at least the turn here, and you may (unlikely) have the best hand... if something like the 10 were to fall on the turn, you have a great reason to see the river. in a smaller pot, you would most likely have to lay the hand down without drawing to your overs and running draws.in NL, i like the play with big pairs, because you can build a big pot and take it down pre flop with a hefty reraise.... and you might even get a call and double up... i have used the play with big drawing hands in NL, but usually someone will shut you out on the flop if you miss.

[Abbaddabba]

Yeah, im with THAT guy. I absolutely hate to have people calling big raises preflop with crap hands to my pocket kings or aces. ...Wait. You were serious?

[jayistheman]

in NL its not a problem.... in limit play, you absolutely must thin the field... AA is not the mortal nuts... and if the pot is big enough they have odds to draw to anything.... that includes gutshots and other draws that you will end up paying off... i love when crap calls against my AA in a 2 or maybe even 3 handed pot, but i dont want to give them odds to draw out on me, because the pot size will require me to pay them off...in NL, i can simply shut their draws out.

[KDawgCometh]

In NL I will occasionally limp raise, but i do do a lot of limping in holdem if I'm getting the right price, or if those that've looked at their cards already don't look really enamored with their hand. This way I can play small soooooted cards, but when I see someone really like their cards and I got AA or KK I'll do the limp raise as people notice me limping with small suited cards enough to make this effective. When you use the limp raise in NL play make sure that you are isolating the original raiser, especially if they are loose with raises. This can be very effective as you can trap called bets here and get some extra cash in the pot. Make sure though that you set up this play in early position with some early limps, and you can really use this play well in tournies and really punish people for thier mistake in calling you, as they likely will

[Abbaddabba]

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in NL its not a problem.... in limit play, you absolutely must thin the field... AA is not the mortal nuts... and if the pot is big enough they have odds to draw to anything.... that includes gutshots and other draws that you will end up paying off... i love when crap calls against my AA in a 2 or maybe even 3 handed pot, but i dont want to give them odds to draw out on me, because the pot size will require me to pay them off... in NL, i can simply shut their draws out.

Yeah, so get this - the thing is... that's a shitty rationale.If your objective was to win the most hands, then that'd work, but most rational individuals would rather win the most money. Maybe what you're trying to say is that aces are more powerful in no limit than it is in limit, which may very well be true. To suggest that you dont want people calling your preflop raises with shit hands because there's some remote chance that they may take the pot is ... irrational. The fact that they're calling the BB plus the raise builds the pot so much that you more than justify their unfavored draws

[KidKanuck]

jayistheman said:

in NL its not a problem.... in limit play, you absolutely must thin the field... AA is not the mortal nuts... and if the pot is big enough they have odds to draw to anything.... that includes gutshots and other draws that you will end up paying off... i love when crap calls against my AA in a 2 or maybe even 3 handed pot, but i dont want to give them odds to draw out on me, because the pot size will require me to pay them off...in NL, i can simply shut their draws out.

IMO this is bang on.BTW is this not called "second hand low"....or is that only when you smooth call a small raise in an early position hoping someone will reraise the original raiser so you can get all your chips in at that time....not clear what the concept of second hand low covers...anybody with more knowledge please clarify so I know if I am mis-guided.KK