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[Binbs]

Dont know Villain. VPIP on 26 hands says 65 %. Seems like a passive player.** Game ID 569613375 starting - 2005-11-07 23:05:56** Schwyz [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money- wawawiwi sitting in seat 1 with $153.05- belric2 sitting in seat 2 with $49.34 [Dealer]- asspacker29 sitting in seat 3 with $26.00- prinsesse sitting in seat 4 with $86.32- sonic49 sitting in seat 5 with $37.01- Binbs sitting in seat 6 with $100.00asspacker29 posted the small blind - $0.50prinsesse posted the big blind - $1.00** Dealing card to Binbs: Ace , King sonic49 foldedBinbs raised - $4.00wawawiwi foldedbelric2 called - $4.00asspacker29 foldedprinsesse folded** Dealing the flop: Queen , 10 , King Binbs bet - $7.00belric2 called - $7.00** Dealing the turn: Queen Binbs checkedbelric2 bet - $4.00Binbs called - $4.00** Dealing the river: 7 Binbs checkedbelric2 went all-in - $34.34Binbs ??

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Overbet, not underbet the flop.See what he does with $15 at 8.Checking the flop with the intention of overbet/raising a weak bet probably isn't too bad either.Don't ask yourself if you want to call the river. If you DO want to call the river, ask yourself where you could have moved him in earlier.The way it played I think folding the river is best.

[Pokerghost2]

ur beat, crushed throw it away.

[swass]

Gotta fold the river. Villain could easily have flopped 2 pair or a straight in that position. The Q turn is a killer card. Also, his $4 bet on the turn screams value bet. I don't mind the flop bet, so I think you played it alright (as long as you folded).

[Binbs]

You know to me it looked more like he was trying to represent the Queens when it hit on the turn.

[Davin]

i definately would have led the turn w/ something like 14 and folded to a raise. you let him take control of the hand, so now you have no idea where you stand. relenquishing the lead in a hand is only effective if you have a big hand or if your opponent is weak-tight. i dont think your villain is either one, so i would have kept betting

[Binbs]

Ok thanks for the feedback guys. I have to agree that I should have lead out on the turn as well, to get a better idea of where I was in the hand.Luckily his bet on the turn was the right tell.** Dealing the river: 7 of HeartsBinbs checkedbelric2 went all-in - $34.34Binbs called - $34.34belric2 shows: Ace of Spades, 8 of HeartsBinbs wins $97.18 from the main pot

[Bubba83]

When you just check/call the turn you should be expecting him to move all in whether he has you beat or not if you check to him again on the river. With that said, I like checking the flop and seeing what he does, or overbetting it, either one should work nicely. I think the way you played it you need to bet the same thing you did on the flop on the turn. If he raises you there, then you can think about folding, because you have a much better idea of where you're at. If you check/call the turn you have no idea where you're at. I guess if i'm at the river then the way you played it i think you have to fold if he's a passive player.

[Binbs]

I agree Bubba. Turn play wasnt good. Just lucky that his turn play gave him away.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Avoid results based thinking.Don't post results.Lather, rinse, repeat.The turn is a value bet plenty of times to negate your logic for calling the river.

[Binbs]

Fair enough TJ.But I still disagree about his turn bet. After thousands and thousands of hands at this level, you adapt an instinct to the way people bet and react to the different textures of the board.His bet on the turn compared to his stack size clearly told me that he did NOT have a Queen. I was unsure about the all in on the river, but given stack size and his bet on the turn I was inclined to call.

[Royal_Tour]

Binbs said:

Fair enough TJ.But I still disagree about his turn bet. After thousands and thousands of hands at this level, you adapt an instinct to the way people bet and react to the different textures of the board.His bet on the turn compared to his stack size clearly told me that he did NOT have a Queen. I was unsure about the all in on the river, but given stack size and his bet on the turn I was inclined to call.

of course his turn bet wasnt for value.It was a horrible attempt to try a river steal granted the rigt card hits which it did, and u checked and he pushed.Most of the time this works.