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[Royal_Tour]

Ok.. what would u have done in my shoes?I'm at a 40 player mini no-limit tournament. buy-in was 100$ per player. I knew a hand full of people there, so its hard to judge anyone on their playing techniques.Its early in the tournament, and i'm sitting to the right of the button. blinds are still small. i pick up ace, 8 suited. about 5 callers in the hand now, and the small blind just calls, same with big blind., so the flop comes ace, jack, 8 rainbow. Small blind check, and it gets checked 2 more times, until its raised to 2 $, very small bet, i re-raise the pot size. and without a second to spare.. i didnt even finish putting my chips in the pot.. the small blind says "all in". What the?? everyone folds, and its back on you.. what to do??I'l tell you how it ended in a couple days

[Smasharoo]

Fold.Alterantely, you could call, then feel silly about it and post on a poker forum looking for people to say "You have to call here!":)

[benhoug]

FOLD. Sounds to me like somebody has pocket Jacks in this spot.

[TheIceman05]

What could he possible have here? AJ, JJ, 88. Wonk. Bye bye

[custom36]

I'm a gambler. He probably has A-K or A-Q. I'd call with the two pair.

[longdistance]

no way was it JJ......mayyybbbeeee 88, but im saying its J8. I call.

[Makavelli]

He's got J8. Call.

[pockets]

No raise preflop would mean either J8 or 88 to me in that situation.I'd probably call.

[blueodum]

If I flopped a set, I'd be more inclined to minimum raise or call and get more money in the pot and not go all in with a great hand for a small pot.Knowing nothing about the player who went all in, I'd say it's 70/30 that you have the best hand at that point. To win or place high in a tournament like you described you have to take a few risks at some point. I would call.

[wrto4556]

blueodum said:

If I flopped a set, I'd be more inclined to minimum raise or call and get more money in the pot and not go all in with a great hand for a small pot.Knowing nothing about the player who went all in, I'd say it's 70/30 that you have the best hand at that point. To win or place high in a tournament like you described you have to take a few risks at some point. I would call.

You do have to take risks....but not here.If you're right, you double up if your hand holds.If you're wrong, you get knocked out of the tournament.You can double up without taking this unneeded risk.

[liveactiononly]

i honestly think if you folded here it would be the wrong move. Considering that most players raise with A J i would eliminate that as well as jacks, I would not put him on something like A Q or A K because the pot was not raised....the only phesable posibilities is 88,J8, or A8 but most people do not act incredibly quick when i are trying to get a caller, they usually take there time and try to figure out how to maximize how much money they are going to get. I would put him on j 8 or the same hand as you A 8. The only hand that i think could have you beat is 88 and i would feel strongly you were going in with the best hand.What ended up happening?

[Royal_Tour]

Well despite people who think i would post a comment to look for some reasoning for my actions??.. Thats not the caseI didnt fold.,, i had more chips than him. so i called.,, i flip over my ace , 8he flips over ... jack, 8.. woo wooo.., i'm way ahead.,, but how does it play out., he hits a 3rd jack on the river, and makes his boat.what a crappy end to a crappy tournament., lolIf i did it over I would have folded because it was way too early in a tournament., but i won my previous one 2 weeks before., so i guess you could say i was playing in this one with free money.,, so i took a gambleThanks for your replies.

[Makavelli]

so you made the completely right call and got sucked out on. you had him crushed. I disagree that this is the wrong time to gamble. The bubble is the wrong time to gamble perhaps, but this is early. You had him roughtly 9-1, and you had him covered. the question is, did you go nuts after the suck out and lose your stack recklessly, or did you play chip-and-a-chair style and decide not to give up?

[liveactiononly]

ding ding ding we have a right answer....may be childish but i am proud of my analysis of this situation. Makavelli Posted: Sun, Feb 6th, 2005 8:35 Post subject: Re: **what to do in this situation?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so you made the completely right call and got sucked out on. you had him crushed. I disagree that this is the wrong time to gamble. The bubble is the wrong time to gamble perhaps, but this is early. You had him roughtly 9-1, and you had him covered. the question is, did you go nuts after the suck out and lose your stack recklessly, or did you play chip-and-a-chair style and decide not to give up? yeah what he said, you made the right call. Why would you not make this same call again. You have to get your money in with the best of it especially when you have your opponent dominated.

[Royal_Tour]

I lost my last 25 bucks on the next hand i played, found wired 9's in my hole., so i moved all in, against ace, queen.. and ace hit on the flop.,so ya.. it wasnt my day.I just finished playing another 40 player event., and finished 5th this time. my pok kings got cracked at the final table. But my head was clear, and i decided to not take any chances with all-ins early in the tournament. and my end result was better.

[holman3rd]

Royal_Tour said:

I lost my last 25 bucks on the next hand i played, found wired 9's in my hole., so i moved all in, against ace, queen.. and ace hit on the flop.,so ya.. it wasnt my day.I just finished playing another 40 player event., and finished 5th this time. my pok kings got cracked at the final table. But my head was clear, and i decided to not take any chances with all-ins early in the tournament. and my end result was better.

Let me state the obvious, this decision is very player dependent, imo (as it almost always is).I played in a home tourney about a month ago and got heads up preflop with KK. The flop came AA7. The other player led into me with a pot-sized bet (i had him covered 2 to 1, btw). Since we hadn't been playing long, I didn't have a read on him. My thinking was, "He can't have an ace, he'd slow play it...any fish would."I called.Turn is a brick, and he leads again with an all-in. I go into the tank for a bit, and call.My big mistake (regardless of what he had), was calling the all-in. I just couldn't let myself believe he had an ace, despite the evidence. With 20/20 hindsight, al the evidence pointed to the fact that he had an ace. If he didn't, he sure would be worried that I had one, given my smooth call on the flop. If he was worried about that, he wouldn't go all-in on the turn.He flipped over pocket aces. What I learned from this:1) Fish CAN have the hand you don't think they can have2) Don't let your ego decide the proper play for you3) Take diligent mental notes on every hand that is played.As for #3, I used this knowledge to crush him the rest of the tourney. Anyway, absent a read the player in this thread, I'd fold. Too many hands that I can be behind.