bdc30 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Ok, so as I've stated in my other post, I'm justgetting back into PLO after an extended absenceso I'm sorry if I'll be posting a lot of hands, butI'm trying to get back up to speed here and getinto the bigger games again.***** Hand History for Game 2995099269 *****0/0 Omaha Hi/Lo Game Table (PL) - Mon Nov 07 00:54:34 EST 2005Table Table 68968 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: Hero ( $523.50)Seat 2: ( $807.79) CO Seat 3: ( $501.20) ButtonSeat 8: MP ( $410.10) ** Preflop**Dealt to Hero A , 3 , J , Q 2 folds, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO raises to $12, Button calls, Blinds fold, MP calls, Hero calls.** Flop ** ($54) : 8 , Q , J MP checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.** Turn ** ($54) : 9 MP checks, Hero bets $15, CO folds, Button folds, MP calls.** River ** ($84) : 4 MP checks, Hero......So, my street by street thoughts...Preflop, call is a bit loose with only A3 for low, and no suited cards.When it got raised, if I were in any other position but last to act, I likely would have folded, but when I saw it get raised up, and 2 other players call, it was $8 more into a pot that would be $50+, so I called.Flop, not too bad, I hit 2 pair, but the 3 hearts were scary.The nice thing was that I held the Ace so at the veryleast I was thinking I might be able to run a bluff on a later street.I wasn't feeling nearly comfortable enough to bet out though,given the action on the flop. Turn, though the 9 kind of sucked, I was very surprised at the action(or lack thereof) on the flop, so I figured nobody had hit a flush, andthat a medium sized bet might take this down right here. At least the original aggressor folded, but I wasn't thrilled aboutgetting a call here.River, well..the 4 I don't think helped anyone, I still have2 pair, and the naked Ace . Is a bet here for value, a semi-bluff, or both? Check behind?? Link to post Share on other sites
JacKingOff_suit 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I don't think you will be able to outplay MP on the river, just check and lose the pot.If you decide to make move with naked Ace, you should bet a certain amount on the flop, then pot the turn, play it just like you are actually holding the nut flush. Link to post Share on other sites
dank773 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I think I would bet on the flop, unless you were thinking that you could check-rasie the preflop raiser. Not that I'm saying your two pair is the nuts, but a lot of times I'll bluff with the naked A on a board like this. I would probably semi-bluff again on the river. A call on a hand like this will usually mean either, the player has a small flush and wants to see if it's good, or the players has a set and is trying to fill up. But it could also mean he's slow playing a flopped straight flush. Without knowing the players, it's hard to say if someone would call with a straight or a set on a flush board. But I think a lot of times a bet on the river is going to win you the pot, so it's not a bad play. Link to post Share on other sites
Chamonyx 0 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 The only way you are going to win this pot is by betting the river - and betting enough so that MP goes away. For him to call your turn bet, he has to have you beat with either a set or a straight (you hope) or a flush.I don't think you bet enough on the turn to define either your hand (as a flush) or his, since you were offering him just over 4.5:1 pot odds. Also, due to your lack of flop betting, he could easily put you on a straight now and call you down with his 23h.You can sort of get away with checking the flop as he may assume that you were looking for a check raise, but I would have bet at least half the pot on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Wintermute 0 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Dry-ace bluffs are highly +EV when executed correctly, but are unfortunately very easy to screw up. The most important requirement is that you've identified your opponent as being one who is capable of folding a smaller flush. Many players are simply too bad to make this fold; therefore, I find that dry-ace bluffing is most successful against winning opponents. Without reads, I'm more likely to try the bluff than not, because monotone flops are generally intimidating to the average player.Secondarily, a dry-ace bluff should be a pot-sized bet every time. Even a weak player recongizes the need for the nut flush to be protected from boat draws; a $15 into a $54 pot is not going to offer the kind of representation you need. A full pot bet on the turn will win the pot most times on this board. In this case, since you put a weak bet in on the turn that was called, I'd put your opponent on a small flush that corretly detected you do not have the nuts; checking behind on the river is very likely the best line, barring any specific reads you didn't mention. Link to post Share on other sites
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