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in general, is it right to call this bet?


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#1 Petoria

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 11:51 PM

i'm playing 6/12 limit at the casino, the table has been fairly tight all night, but like most tables at this limit they see quite a few flops. i have 5 :D 7 :) in the BB, and i get to see the flop for free with 4 other ppl in the pot. the flop comes 68T rainbow i check, but my read on two of the other players indicates that this was a very good flop. They check around and i get to see a free card. The turn comes with a 4, i hit my str8, but i check from early position to see if someone bets. Sure enough one of the players bets, i'm fairly certain he has a flush draw. The two players who apparently have big hands are yet to act. When the action gets to them one raises and the other reraises behind him, so now it's 3 bets to me, and i have the 2nd best hand. How big are their hands, can one of them have 79. I lay it down, at the end of the hand one player shows that he flopped a set of 8's and the other claims to have mucked a set of 6's. Clearly my read was right, that they had big hands, but mine was best. Would you have called the bet?When you know your opponent has a big hand, how can you tell how big it actually is?Thanks for the help.
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Posted 06 February 2005 - 02:22 AM

I would probably have re-raised here.There is only one hand that has you beat at the moment and that, as you say, is 7-9. In a tight table I would suggest that it is highly unlikely that anyone would have called pre-flop with that hand.I would probably put them on overpairs (most likely JJ as any other overpair should raise preflop), sets or flush draws all of which need to improve to beat you. If you re-raise here it is likely that the flush draw will fold as he won't have sufficient pot odds to chase. An overpair would also likely fold leaving you only up against sets against which you are a big favourite.
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Posted 06 February 2005 - 12:14 PM

you definetly should've capped it. You could've extracted a lot of bets on the river too because it would be hard to put you on that hand. A situation like this will come up again and you'll reap the benefits

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 03:05 PM

i know it was stupid to fold, but there was a lot of money there and i figured it wasnt costing me 3 bets, but, quite possibly 8. If i lose eight bets there, i'm short-stacked and i dont have enough handy to rebuy. I was thinking about what i had and not what they had. Thanks for the advice, i kinda knew it would come out like that. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but it was really hard looking into 2 big hands and 3 big bets. As soon as i stop thinking like that maybe i'll turn into a real poker player.
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Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:17 PM

Your real problem on this hand was that you had no business playing the 6/12. At minimum you should be willing to risk $400 for one session of 6/12.

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Posted 07 February 2005 - 06:08 AM

jogsxyz said:

Your real problem on this hand was that you had no business playing the 6/12. At minimum you should be willing to risk $400 for one session of 6/12.
Gotta cap it on the turn with that board. The raises and re-raises on the turn look suspicious given the board (i.e. looks like at least one set). One of them could have made their straight like you. Also, I'm not too worried about a flush draw being out there...prolly would have seen a raise on the flop at this level. Folding here is way weak. Capping is best, but at the very least check call it down.




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