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[Suited_Up]

Me and my girlfriend were playing a few minutes ago and decided to give Omaha a try, since the thread about being a cash cow... just the limit game though.... tried that for a few minutes, and won a hand, but she got bored with it and switched over to Stud. Within a half hour, turned a $20 buy-in to $60. Maybe even less than half an hour.... Just wanted to know if it's always this easy? It was a .50/1.00 limit stud room. So it's like 40/BB in probably 15 hands or so. Won 4 pots I believe and was up that much. If that's the case, I am switching my game I think.

[AndrewBlack]

i have a friend that the past month, has hit and run the 30-60 limit tables on stars for close to 8 grand. He claims the 30-60 players are no better than at any other limits.My point is, any game can be beaten by anyone in a short period of time. It could just be the blind squirrel finding a nut, but to really find out, why not keep playing that game for a few hours, and see how it goes.[edit]And of course its not always that easy! If it was we'd have alot of wealthy people!

[Suited_Up]

AndrewBlack said:

i have a friend that the past month, has hit and run the 30-60 limit tables on stars for close to 8 grand. He claims the 30-60 players are no better than at any other limits.My point is, any game can be beaten by anyone in a short period of time. It could just be the blind squirrel finding a nut, but to really find out, why not keep playing that game for a few hours, and see how it goes.

Doing that as we speak... so far it's going fine. Up 7.75 in the same limit room.... but not as many calling stations as the first room we were in though, so the pots are smaller. We'll see how this goes.

[jayboogie]

I hope you realize it's a good run more than anything. Stud is a drawing game, you will go through stretches where everything hits and everything misses. There's a lot more to stud that you probably aren't even recognizing, a good stud player and a bad stud player are worlds apart, not as much so in hold'em.

[Suited_Up]

jayboogie said:

I hope you realize it's a good run more than anything. Stud is a drawing game, you will go through stretches where everything hits and everything misses. There's a lot more to stud that you probably aren't even recognizing, a good stud player and a bad stud player are worlds apart, not as much so in hold'em.

Yeah I figured... there were lots of people calling in that first room with obviously not much. In this new one though... I've had the best hand 3 times until 7th street and then lost it... that's a little frustrating.

[KDawgCometh]

I love stud but it can be obscenely frustrating. You just hit a really good streak. There is a lot to it and it takes a tremendous amount of skill to play well

[Suited_Up]

KDawgCometh said:

I love stud but it can be obscenely frustrating. You just hit a really good streak. There is a lot to it and it takes a tremendous amount of skill to play well

What kind of stuff are you talking about? I did just get SS2, so I'll get to reading that fairly soon, but it seems fairly straightforward to me... I think I fold too many hands, but that's fine with me. I am basically playing with pairs, 3 to a flush, and 3 to a straight... not much else.

[Suited_Up]

So just a little update.... I played a little more at the .50/1.00 but people kept leaving and play was a little too tight to make any money, so I went over and found a good table at 1/2.... In about 45 minutes I doubled up the 50 I went in with. So I had a pretty good night playing Stud for the first time. My g/f made $40 at .50/1.00 and I made $50 at the 1/2 tables.On a side note... I jumped on Full Tilt to see what was going on there and saw Jennifer Harman on a 2/4 table... Talked to her for a little while and she's so nice. I have no idea how she plays and keeps up with the chat so well, but she answers everyone's questions and comments.... I was even mentioning the stud thing and she told me it was beginners luck... So there you have it, lol.

[KDawgCometh]

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What kind of stuff are you talking about?

okay let me see, In one hand I started with slpit kings and the guy called me down to the riverwhen he caught two tens on six street and the river to beat me with two pair. Rolled up fours that I played perfectly except for the fact that some schmo caught three running clubs to beat me on the river, and of course those days when you start with pocketor spilts Aces, Kings, and Queens and don't improve while some idiot that played sixees improves everytime it seems. I don't want to dissuade you from stud, because its a great game, but just relying on playing premium pairs, high flushes, and three straights will do you well for only so long. Understanding board texture is ridiculously important in stud

[TS Clark]

Yes and no. KDawg is definitely right about one of his points -- Stud is a drawing game, so (as he said so well) understanding board texture is incredibly important. You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to... (oh, you know the rest).That said, there are a lot of HORRENDOUS stud players at the lower limits. I tend to play stud on Stars, since the ante structure makes more sense (compared to, say, Party, which has ridiculous .25 antes playing at the .50-1 level). Even at Stars (which tends to have some more savvy players overall than some other sites), people will just play with anything and everything.In all the sessions that I've played on Stars (and there have been dozens now), I have only had two sessions where I left with less money than I sat down with. And, many times, I leave with a LOT more than I started with. And this is not because I think I'm a terrific stud player -- I am sure a mid-limit player from AC (where I understand they play a lot of this game) would work me like a rib. But, if you've read and marginally comprehended Chip Reese's basic section on Stud in SS, you're already a Jedi Wizard compared to most people playing this game online.My advice to anyone playing lower-limit stud is to wait for decent starting hands, drop them if you haven't made a strong draw or good made hand by fifth street, and punish the hell out of the morons who draw to anything. And having a good memory for folded cards certainly helps also.

[eleutheromaniac]

Table selection is important in every game, but I think it is most important in 7 card stud. A table full of loose players in Stud is a gold mine. Before sitting down, watch a couple of hands and when/if there's a showdown pay particular attention. Making book in stud is vital, moreso than in other games I think.

[HtotheNootch]

You need the proper bankroll for Holdem. Iit's even more important in Stud. Speaking strictly about LHE, it's much "swingier" (at least IMO). You can make the right play at the right time - e.g. jam with As-7S-Ah. However, to get to the equivalent of the flop costs a lot more bets It's a posite play in the long run, but in the short term you can get your bankroll hammered. So when you venture into stud, make sure you've got the cash for the long haul.

[mays24]

YepOnce had a swing of about 500 bucks in 5/10 stud within 1.5 hours.I am sure this is not uncommon.I won't tell you which side I was on (this was in AC) - hahaha

[blackize]

If you play conservatively and dont have at least a fabulous drawing hand by 4th street you lay it down and save yourself money. There are some terrible beats though. I had rolled up aces and capped every round. Lost to jacks full, made his trips on 4th street and filled up on 6th and 7th.

[thwaptor]

I play 10-20 stud 4 times a week at the taj in AC. People are generally terrible even there. The big problem people have when playing stud concerns pot odds. People will read sklansky books on limit he and think to themselves in a multiway stud pot. "okay I have jj789, all i need is a ten, jack, 7, 8, or 9 to improve. so I'm either going to call and opponent who is raising into a multiway pot with xxaaq."That's wrong. You're opponent probably already has aces up or better if they're still pounding on 5th. If you hit your straight you need to worry about other players in the pot hitting flushes, boats, etc. If the xxaaq player is decent at all and got going from the beginning in a ring game, he at least started with 3 suited big guys, in which case if the queen was suited up he also has a 4 flush and a straight draw, or aces and queens."Basically there's a lot to take into account in stud.When playing at a super loose table like 5-10 at a casino. Queens or better split, tens or better wired, 3 suited big guys, 3 suited connectors 4+. There's my rant... heh

[SOWhatKid]

Suited_Up said:

Me and my girlfriend were playing a few minutes ago and decided to give Omaha a try, since the thread about being a cash cow... just the limit game though.... tried that for a few minutes, and won a hand, but she got bored with it and switched over to Stud. Within a half hour, turned a $20 buy-in to $60. Maybe even less than half an hour.... Just wanted to know if it's always this easy? It was a .50/1.00 limit stud room. So it's like 40/BB in probably 15 hands or so. Won 4 pots I believe and was up that much. If that's the case, I am switching my game I think.

I'll play you in a 5,000 stud freeze out heads up

[rivercardbandit]

I've also been playing some 7stud and 7stud hi/lo lately. Really fun stuff. Just playing the .25/.50 limit though, staying in the 300bb rule that applies in hold'em. Not certain this is correct, but what the hell. I really need to get some reading material on stud though, as I feel like I'm just shooting blindly in the dark sometimes. Like Suited Up, I'm playing pairs, 3 to a flush, 3 to a straight and letting go unimproved on 5th street, based on what else is showing on the board. Yesterday was a great stud session, up just over $30. Couldn't believe how well the cards were running. But, I've had downswings as well. From a noob perspective, even I can tell the play is horrendous, my own included. I've also found there far fewer stud players (on Stars is where I play) and keeping notes is INVALUABLE as I see the same players on a consistent basis, as opposed to Hold'em where you could a week without seeing the same player twice.I think equally, if not more important, is keeping track of the board and what's been folded. Not sure how to compute percetages though. Compared to Hold'em, it's not just if the card(s) you need will come up, but come up in your hand and how to figure the math. Which is why I need to get some study materials.Just my 2 cents worth on my limited experience playing stud.

[Marchione]

when i lived in LV and the holdem tables were full i would sit down at a stud table and play all night ~ reason being people would play stud wile waiting for a holdem table to open up !!!if you know how to play stud ( have a godd understanding of the game) there is alot of money to be made !! everyone wants to play holdem and is reading and studying the "GLAM" event and dont want to get a full understanding of all the games !!

[Stiles2004]

The first time I ever played Stud was by accident... meant to join a NL Holdem tounrye, and I joined stud... 5 hours and a 4th place finish later, I was 400 richerNext time I played, I came 13th and banked 75... so I think Stud is my game

[greatwhite]

You go through more highs and lows in this game more than any other. I bet even Chip Reese and Phil Ivey have had long losing streaks in this game.